@Abeehiltz the refusal of cis people to see trans men as men is not the fault of butch lesbians, and trying to put ones own complex relationship with gender into the context of a society like ours is a difficult thing. i am saying this as someone with multiple trans butch woman as close friends, who has had thorough discussions about this with them, by the way. again, I urge you to do some serious reading on the history of butch women before you enter a discussion about this.

@Abeehiltz women can use he/hin pronouns, it does not make them men. women can adopt the mannerisms of men, it does not make them men. it all depends on how that woman chooses to be. do some reading on butch lesbians please.

@pathfinder2e real spicey