Imperfect Idea

@ImperfectIdea
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Imperfect IdeaJan 23, 2024
"In all, after learning a handful of basic facts about the Middle East, 67.8% of students went from supporting “from the river to sea” to rejecting the mantra. These students had never seen a map of the Mideast and knew little about the region’s geography, history or demography."
https://archive.is/2024.01.02-125633/https://www.wsj.com/articles/from-which-river-to-which-sea-anti-israel-protests-college-student-ignorance-a682463b
Imperfect IdeaJan 3, 2024

@neil
It all depends on the context, right?

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Imperfect IdeaJan 3, 2024

@dans 🤣

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Show threadImperfect IdeaNov 21, 2023

@gasull
That sounds more like a public poll, to be honest. They're already legal and done mostly by phone or online (not in anyone's house). Although they need to meet some quality requirements to be considered valid.

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Show threadImperfect IdeaNov 19, 2023

@Haydar
Sánchez could have campaigned to ban fascist parties... or he could have banned them by decree. I mean, that's not the legal way, but who cares, right? What are the limits when fighting against opposing groups? Surely this won't set a precedent and won't ever be used against you.

Anyway, Godwin's Law means it's time for me to check out. Thank for the chat.

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Show threadImperfect IdeaNov 19, 2023

@Haydar
So the ends justify the means? Vox is a legitimate party with 3 million votes, using corruption to stop them is against all democratic and liberal values, and only emboldens them. Sánchez is also deceiving his own voters.

Surely laws and Constitutions can change, but only through legal channels. But before those changes, only the Judicial system can make decisions, right? Otherwise there's no separation of powers, which is a basic element of a democracy.

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Show threadImperfect IdeaNov 19, 2023
@Haydar
I'm all for a referendum in which all Spanish citizens participate, not just Catalans, as long as it's Constitutional - the Constitution would have to be reformed for this first, and it would require a qualified and wide majority.
The 2017 "referendum" was illegal. The amnesty literally *buys* 7 votes so Sánchez can stay in power after losing the popular vote. Sánchez said up until election day that amnesty wouldn't happen. How does that sit with you?
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Imperfect IdeaNov 18, 2023
Show threadtripuNov 18, 2023

@Haydar

“Amnesty is a perfect legal instrument in a democracy”

In what democracy? Our Constitution doesn’t even mention the idea. Lots of lawyers and entire associations of judges, left and right, say it would be illegal. Libertarians say so. A few magnates of the PSOE are saying so even today. Pedro Sánchez himself and lots of his sycophants at the very top (eg, ministers) said there could be no amnesty because it’d be against the law and the Constitution until a few months ago.

“Modern Spain was founded on the base of an Amnesty law”

Very different circumstances. That amnesty was widely understood to be “the last one”. An amnesty was necessary to start from scratch, simply because there was no rule of law at the time (it was autarchy emanating from a coup d’etat).

“There were several cases of ‘tax amnesty’”

Yes. Two by the PSOE and one by the PP. Very different in nature to what is being announced now. And at least one of them was declared illegal by the Constitutional Court.

So what?

“The real reason why the right-wing is protesting is that they lost the elections and now want to divide society”

It’s not “the right-wing” protesting. Puigdemont’s own party is right-of-centre. The Basque separatists of the PNV, who are not protesting, are definitely in the right. Roughly half the country is opposed — and so is part of the moderate right, the centre, and lots of intellectuals and judges.

Pardoning criminals and supporting secession is, by definition, more divisive than applying the law and defending the unity of the country.

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Imperfect IdeaNov 18, 2023

@[email protected]
They are not "leaving", they're deciding unilaterally what the country is - a country that belongs to all Spanish citizens. And they're doing so illegally and immorally.

You suggest we want the Catalans to stay because they're not aggressive, and the rest are? You do realise many Catalans also don't want independence, right? Do they want to stay with the "aggressive" Spaniards? Are you ok?

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Show threadImperfect IdeaNov 18, 2023

@Haydar
What do you call the people trampling over the Constitution, the rule of law, the separation of powers, the sovereignty of the people, and basic concepts of honesty and decency?

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