I am a liberal progressive, by far.

You sure as shit aren’t “progressive” if you suck Amazon’s cock, dude. It’s been common knowledge for years that they’re shitty to their drivers.

If someone claimed to be Muslim but talked about how they loved eating pork and pissing on pictures of Muhammad I’d call fucking bullshit. Same thing with you. You’re a shitty excuse of a liar and troll.

by far

What a fucking joke lmfao

Amazon bots.

Let me guess. You’re 18, grew up in a conservative household, have never worked a “real” job before this one, and you think that paying under $300 in union dues a year is “fucking bullshit”? How close am I with those?

You’re either a paid corporate shill or horribly naïve.

I have to respectfully disagree. It’s not a “general” leftwing thing. But it certainly is an extremist leftwing thing. Would you consider someone who believes all women should be able to get abortions, China is one of the best countries in the world, and Obama was one of the best presidents we’ve had in half a century a rightwinger? There are quite a few extremists on the left who will happily tell you about a certain race is a “problem”. Not much different than Nazis imo

your family is properly fucked

Agree there 100%.

Pretty much. What makes it worse is just about everyone was more moderate a decade ago. Everyone’s just gone off the deep end. Never would have thought I’d hear these things from them back then.

My family is extremely left wing and religious right wing. So…

“Not enough Israeli civilians are dying.” “Palestinians shouldn’t exist.” “Hamas isn’t evil.” “Trump won the election.” “Jewish culture is a Western invention.” etc

Fun times. Probably my last Thanksgiving with biological family.

a bit dishonest

I’m sorry, but the only dishonesty here is admitting that current gun laws would stop many mass shootings if they were just fucking enforced while trying not to say it out loud and then using that to try and justify more legislation that does nothing.

Sounds like a budgetary and enforcement issue. Not something that needs more legislation.

If they believe, then they become “mind controlled”, “double agents”, “traitors”, etc to other flat earthers.

Quite a few actually. State background checks are actually more effective than the NICS system.

So the solution is just to actually enforce existing gun laws?

But this theory of gun laws must have existed for 200 years is ridiculous too.

Not entirely sure what you’re saying here, but I think you’re saying that laws have to change with technology. And I agree. Nobody should privately own a nuclear weapon, ballistic missile, etc. That’s just insane.

But, there is a balance. For now at least, it’s still a fact that a dedicated group of rebels with just semi-automatic weapons can wreak havoc on an organized military. Scale that up to a much larger part of the population and you’re actually looking at a population that can overthrow a tyrannical government if necessary. So we have to ask what “societal sacrifices” are we willing to make in order to make sure we can prevent a dictator from taking over?

And if you’re going to hem and haw about “there is no compromise” or some bullshit like that… then answer this question. If it is abhorrent to even suggest that the right to own firearms is more important than 100% safety from mass shootings, then surely you support a complete surveillance state right? You probably have no idea just how easy it is to make explosives in America. It’s frighteningly easy. Growing up, my friends and I made fuel air bombs and made liquid barium nitrate to create homebrew thermate out in the country. We were doing that just for fun as dumb teenagers with a knack for engineering and chemistry. Someone who’s dedicated could do far, far worse.

So, if you think that preventing any violence due to guns is more important than having the tools to overthrow a dictator… How far are you willing to go to stop all other forms of violence? 24/7 monitoring of all purchases made by Americans? Monitoring all of their conversations? Eager to hear your ideals and solutions.