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A slop post on reddit claims that the application questionnaire sounds a lot like Ziz Lasota’s story of the questions she was asked at a Rationalist event.

In June 2026, a LessWrong post claimed:

The property is owned by Lighthaven LLC and financed by an interest-only mortgage held by a philanthropist. The LLC runs the property, hosts internal events, rents conference and office space to external customers, and sells hotel stays. Lighthaven LLC is itself owned by Lightcone Infrastructure, a non-profit that among other things runs LessWrong. … Economically, Lighthaven LLC generates an operating profit comparable to its cost of capital. The mortgage is $20 million at 5% interest, for an annual interest payment of $1 million. Lighthaven LLC had $3.25 million in revenue in 2025. Events and hotel stays generated an operating profit of roughly $850k, almost enough to pay the $1 million annual interest payment. Office space seems to be offered at cost. Lighthaven LLC’s projections of $3.5 million revenue in 2026 should generate an operating profit sufficient to fully fund its annual interest payment, though bookings are currently sparse for this fall.

His evidence for the “almost pays for itself” is the very same blog post which threatened to sell the site if Lighthaven did not receive millions of dollars of donations (and we know that Tallinn just let them not pay for a whole year as long as they made it up later). The loan is also not technically a mortgage.

Lighthaven East - A Feasibility Study — LessWrong

As a bureaucrat, my role is to annoy my friends. Someone voices an idea, “Wouldn’t it be nice if…” or “I wonder if we could…” I make a note. I do som…

Some of the online discount brokerages like WealthSimple are in bed with the fascists and the gambling boom (partnership with X, tweets about “become a financial astrologist” and no commission on iron condor options). I think people on TechTakes can sense bad vibes.

How to disinvest from the chatbot bubble

https://awful.systems/post/8381460

How to disinvest from the chatbot bubble - awful.systems

In another thread there were some questions about how to reduce your exposure to frauds and bubbles around TESCREAL billionaires and chatbot companies in the USA. Although I cannot give specific advice, the basic approach should not take more than a few days. Here are some simple ways to avoid owning a small part of a money-losing slop peddler. First, check what you own. Even if someone else manages your investments they should send you a monthly, quarterly, or yearly report with a list of holdings. This will often be some kind of fund which takes money and buys other assets with it. Second, figure out what you ultimately own under all the wrappers. Most investment funds have a list of top 10 holdings and a breakdown into percentages in different types of assets eg. US stocks (equities). You can find this on their website or as a short document called fund fact sheet or similar. If the top ten holdings are full of American tech stocks, and a high percentage of assets are US equities, that is a sign that they are exposed to the chatbot bubble and might give Sam Altman and Elon Musk some of your money. Good financial institutions will have a complete list of what that fund holds. Sometimes these will be other financial products, like a stock fund and a bond fund, and you have to recursively look up those products and see what they hold. Other times, you can see the underlying assets directly and often download them as a .csv file. Blackrock [https://www.blackrock.com/ca/investors/en/products/309480/ishares-core-equity-etf-portfolio-fund] shows them under Holdings > Aggregate Underlying Holdings. At other financial institutions you may need to phone or email to get a complete list of holdings, especially if what you own is only available to clients of your institution. Six publicly-traded companies which seem especially entangled in the TESCREAL movement and the chatbot bubble are Alphabet (Google), Amazon, Microsoft, Nvidia, Tesla, and Palantir. Amazon, Microsoft, and Nvidia own large parts of OpenAI, Tesla is entangled with Elon Musk’s other businesses, and Palantir is run by a man who issues fascist manifesti. Google has been threatening to replace search results with slop and is heavily investing in cloud infrastructure [https://aragonresearch.com/spending-surges-at-amazon-microsoft-google/] for its Gemini ‘AI’ (more here [https://www.techspot.com/news/111207-google-gemini-ai-sparks-double-digit-revenue-growth.html]). If a fund invests in these big companies run by nutters, it probably invests in smaller companies from the same milieu. Third, if what you own is too exposed to the chatbot companies and fascist CEOs with twitter poisoning, sell some of it and buy something else. You can use the method above to judge how much something you are thinking of buying is exposed. Four strategies which you might employ are: - underweight US stocks (eg. if you would normally have 20% of your investments in stocks from your country, 20% US stocks, and 20% in stocks from the rest of the world, you might pick 25-10-25). About 60% of global stock markets are in the USA, and 37% of that is in ten giant tech companies, so many funds invest heavily in the US by default. - underweight US tech stocks. This can be harder but some funds focused on socially responsible investing [https://www.goodinvesting.com/] or ESG screen out the usual suspects. - focus on companies which pay dividends. In theory, if a company’s stock is worth a total of $300m, and it pays out 1% dividends, the company is now worth $297m and the shares will drop in value, so it does not matter whether a company pays dividends or not. However, if a company can pay out dividends to its investors every year, it at least has some positive cashflow proportionate to its value on the stock market. I would be shocked if SpaceX or OpenAI offered dividends and funds which look for dividends tend to prefer well-established companies which have paid out for years or decades. Dividend funds are likely to invest in Microsoft or Apple but not Joe’s Slop Shop (est. 2023, net loss last year one zillion dollars but they promise to earn it back by 2030). - focus on companies whose stock prices have low volatility. This is a newer approach but also tends to screen out ‘bubbly’ and speculative companies. None of these strategies will keep your money safe if the US stock market collapses or there is another Global Financial Crisis. When this all falls apart there will be real estate dealers who sold property, copper mines which sold copper, and HR firms which sold services and find themselves knocking on the door of bankrupt companies asking for money. Companies which built their processes around ‘AI’ will have to scramble to keep going. Nobody can predict all the ramifications. If you pick one of these strategies and the US stock market or the US ‘tech’ industry do better than average, you will have less money than you would have otherwise. However, if you put in a weekend of work you can be less exposed to chatbot companies running out of money than the average investor. Finally, if you have not paid attention to your investments for a while, have a look at the Management Expense Ratio and any trailing fees. Many people are still paying around 2% of their investments to a financial services company every year. A mix of stocks and bonds tends to yield about 4% plus inflation over the long term, so this halves your rate of growth. Professional money-managers tell themselves that they take this money to make good decisions, but there is no evidence that they are any better at managing money than people in general, and for every manager with ten million dollars who does better than average, these is a manager with ten million dollars who does worse. It is dangerous to assume that you can pick one of the good ones. These days if you are in a developed country you can easily buy a mix of local bonds and global stocks for about 0.2% of your assets per year. Over decades, that will leave you with twice as much money as the typical investor in a high-fee fund. Replacing high-fee funds with low-cost funds will make much more of a difference in your financial future than avoiding one stock bubble in one country. You can’t stop two crooks from starting a war which closes the Straits of Hormuz and cuts off 20% of the global supply of fertilizer, or your boss laying you off for a chatbot that does not work, but you can keep your cost of investing low.

plzdontkillus - Our friends discover TikTok

https://awful.systems/post/8359862

plzdontkillus - Our friends discover TikTok - awful.systems

Pretty much everyone in the word business has noticed that audio and video are kicking writing’s butts in terms of getting an online audience (I am not sure in terms of influencing people in serious jobs). Ivy Astrix mentioned that our dear friends in Berkeley decided that if a camp for wordy bloggers was good, a camp for short-form vloggers would be even better. The camp [https://www.plzdontkillus.com/] is about AI doom, but the vlogs don’t have to be. You can live in Berkeley for a month, be paid $2,000, compete for $20,000 in prizes, and hang out with illustrious figures Hereticon [https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Hereticon] alumni like: - Grimes - Yud - CJ the X [https://cjthex.com/] - Liv Boeree - Zoe Curzi - Rob Miles - Yud - Aella - Nate Soares (in the triangle wing, one presumes) The marketing mentions “a sprinkling of AI experts” even though Yud’s position on Twitter is that he is not an AI expert. I don’t think Soares or MIles have any relevant credentials or achievements other than social media posts. Another Robert Miles [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Miles] was a University of Hull computer scientist. plzdontkillus [www.plzdontkillus.com] is definitely less straight and male than their usual lineup, and some of these people would be interesting to meet or have coffee with, but I would not recommend committing to spend a month with them given all the abuse and negligence in rationalist communities. The LessWrong crowd don’t seem to be worried that subsidies for streaming video are killing the culture of reading and writing and the rational, reflective, slow forms of thinking which it inculates, I don’t know if they have talked about the need to cooperate with NIMBYs fighting data centers, or if using law to prevent destruction might involve hiring a law team to make OpenAI’s life hell.

The account of blue and black is worth reading:

Blue and black are the enemies of green, the color of tradition, which they see as complacent and passive. Black is more about taking and blue is more about optimizing, but both of them agree that green’s hands-off attitude is a silly hangup. Blue and black both agree on growth mindset — the idea that one is not defined by one’s origins or constrained to the role society has set. Blue/black characters are often intelligent, clever, arrogant, and aloof, and unimpressed with the way things have always been done — notable examples include Odysseus from The Odyssey, Sherlock Holmes, Lex Luthor, and Quirinus Quirrell from HPMOR.

A blue/black agent asks the question how can I best achieve my goals? It’s fair to describe the blue/black philosophy or attitude as belief in the value of “enlightened self-interest,” which is why it’s not surprising to find it overrepresented in communities like LessWrong and Silicon Valley, which see themselves as attempting to disrupt the status quo for the better. Transhumanism is a fundamentally blue-black worldview, in opposition to the green imperative to accept death as a crucial and inevitable part of life.

Odysseus got his entire crew killed, massacred most of his neighbours and housemaids, and was only saved by the intervention of Athena. Lex Luthor is a supervillain. Yud says that Profesor Quirrell was modeled on Robin Hanson the creepy Libertarian economist and Michael Vassar who two people say argues for sex between grown men and underage girls. So it is bad news that so many rats see Quirrell or “blue-black” as a model (“overrepresented in communities like LessWrong and Silicon Valley”).

I would not recommend a therapist who identifies with this description like Sabien’s and Yud’s partner.

2024-Sabien claims that “I myself am green/blue with a strong splash of red, though I often find myself with goals and roles that lean white, such as running workshops or writing essays like this one.” But his Dragon Army project and Anna Salamon’s memories of early CFAR sound more like the above. Sabien also named a convention at Lighthaven after himself. As I said before, I think Bay Area rationalists read HPMOR and conclude that the thing to do is to set up their own smaller cult with their own crowd of disciples to manipulate.

Intelligence via Empathy and Respect

If you want your characters to be Level I Intelligent, you have to use empathy (see Ch. 27 of HPMOR). You must keep your brain running in the sandbox mode where you make your brain similar to the...

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Jung in the collectible-card-game store

https://awful.systems/post/8259991

Jung in the collectible-card-game store - awful.systems

Duncan Sabien likes at least two games: punch bug [https://homosabiens.substack.com/p/in-defense-of-punch-bug] (as long as he is the one doing the punching) and Magic: the Gathering. He has a whole theory of personality types [https://homosabiens.substack.com/p/the-mtg-color-wheel?open=false#%C2%A7ub] based on colours of magic in M:tG (red, green, white, blue, and black) and got his partner the therapist [https://www.grettaduleba.com/about] into it. The four humours are old and unscientific see: > Personalities, organizations, goals, and means can all be thought of in terms of the Magic colors they typify, allowing you to draw interesting connections, make surprisingly useful predictions, identify deficits and growth areas, and increase empathy. I claim that the Magic system, which was designed to be resonant and trope-y and archetypal, does a lot of the same good work that naming things does, and is a richer intuition pump than other popular wrong-but-usefuls like Enneagram or MBTI or chakras or the integral theory [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integral_theory#Spiral_Dynamics_and_collaboration_with_Don_Beck] colors. Backlinks show a number of rationalists and one TTRPG designer [https://www.monstrousmatters.com/2025/05/next-up-for-my-fantasy-heartbreaker-mage.html] being excited about it. Sneerers are having fun riffing on this theory, so lets create a thread for that. https://homosabiens.substack.com/p/the-mtg-color-wheel?open=false#§ub [https://homosabiens.substack.com/p/the-mtg-color-wheel?open=false#%C2%A7ub] I will begin with the fact that he posted it on Medium in twenty-frigging-eighteen and was offended that they eventually moved it to their “paying members only” section. Who in 2018 could have expected that a ‘free’ service would shut down or make the experience worse when it ran out of other people’s money? He also makes sure you know that the game designer, who also designed RoboRally, has a PhD. Try to explain Hume to them and they stone you, but invent a CCG which lets a corporation take all your lunch and newspaper-route money and they respect credentials.

Our Friends Are Getting Wobbly on Prediction Markets

https://awful.systems/post/8243848

Our Friends Are Getting Wobbly on Prediction Markets - awful.systems

The Rationalist web magazine Asterisk published a long article on prediction markets [https://asteriskmag.com/issues/14/are-prediction-markets-good-for-anything] and invested 80 karma to boosting it on Hacker News [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48049014]. It drops the usual names (author has worked for Google and Metaculous, cites Friedrich Hayek, Phil Tetlock, Vitalik Buterin, Scott Alexander, Elon Musk, mentions the tiny prediction market Manifold because its a Rationalist shop). What is notable is that it pivots: so actually existing prediction markets are mostly gambling (he does not say “fraud and insider trading” or “just like cryptocurrency”), but some day soon LLMs will be our superforcasters! It looks to me like even insiders doubt that prediction markets will be allowed to enable so much corruption [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/apr/18/iran-war-bets-ethics-concerns] for long. Especially sneerable is the idea that you should ask Grok (the bot trained to praise Melon Husk) whether Melon Husk’s latest promise will come to reality.

Back in 2023, someone called adamrat asked about this Slimrock company and why FTX owed it money.

What is Lightcone’s relationship to Slimrock, and is there any specific reason that the purchase of the Rose Garden Inn was financed through them rather than a more mundane/pedestrian lender?

Habryka was forthcoming about every detail except why they borrowed from Tallinn. It looks to me like FTX was supposed to provide the down payment for a mortgage and probably ongoing donations. They bought the property with the loan from Tallinn on 4 Nov 2022, two days after CoinDesk reported that FTX was entangled with Alameda Research, and one week before FTX filed for bankruptcy. Did Tallinn sit them down and say “if you complete the deal with FTX and they go bankrupt, you could lose Lighthaven, whereas I am solvent and offer easy terms?”

Who is Slimrock Investments Pte. Ltd. and how are they related to Lightcone Infrastructure? — LessWrong

Slimrock Investments Pte. Ltd. is listed on the Alameda County Recorder's records as associated with Lightcone's recent purchase of the Rose Garden I…

Does Jaan Tallinn own Lighthaven?

https://awful.systems/post/7968993

Does Jaan Tallinn own Lighthaven? - awful.systems

In December I asked who owns Lighthaven? [https://awful.systems/post/6720327] since rationalist organizations were telling their members one thing and the taxman another. I now have a hypothesis. Since 2022 the rationalists control a $20m event complex called Lighthaven in Berkeley. It is run by organizations with names like Lightcone Infrastructure or the Lightcone Project. They told the taxman that it belonged to CFAR [https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/CFAR] in 2022, 2023, and 2024. CFAR listed a real estate asset and debt liability, so who was the counterparty? You might assume it was a bank, but you would be wrong. Some facts came out when the FTX estate sued CFAR to recover money which Sam Bankman-Fried gave or loaned them. In 2024, the FTX trustees described the situation thusly [https://www.theguardian.com/technology/article/2024/jun/16/sam-bankman-fried-ftx-eugenics-scientific-racism]: > The complaint alleges that Lightcone got another $20m loan to fund the Rose Garden Inn purchase from Slimrock Investments Pte Ltd, a Singapore-incorporated company owned by Estonian software billionaire, Skype inventor and EA/rationalism adherent Jaan Tallinn. This included the $16.5m purchase price and $3.5m for renovations and repairs. > > Slimrock investments has no apparent public-facing website or means of contact. The Guardian emailed Tallinn for comment via the Future of Life Institute, a non-profit whose self-assigned mission is: “Steering transformative technology towards benefiting life and away from extreme large-scale risks.” Tallinn sits on that organization’s board. Neither Tallinn nor the Future of Life Institute responded to the request. A loan usually comes with interest. Also [https://www.sfgate.com/file/149/93/14993-complaint%20ftx%20v%20cfar%20and%20lightcone.pdf] (Case 22-11068-JTD): > Throughout 2022, FTX Foundation and CFAR were in discussions to purchase the Rose Garden Inn in Berkeley, California as a retreat center for the Effective Altruist community. > … > Lightcone RG closed on the purchase of the hotel on or about November 4, 2022. > … > The property is subject to a deed of trust and assignment of rents [https://fortralaw.com/assignment-of-rents-what-why-and-how/] in favor of Slimrock Investments Pte. Ltd., which provided Lightcone with a $20 million loan for the purchase and renovation of the property Such a deed means that if Lightcone fails to repay the loan, Slimrock owns Lighthaven, much as when someone fails to pay a mortgage and the bank reposesses their house. When people asked if this endangered the Lighthaven property, Habryka said [https://manifold.markets/nikki/will-lighthaven-be-capable-of-hosti]: > 100% of the equity in Lighthaven is owned by a Jaan Tallinn owned company, so it’s not really at risk, though the details are a bit messy. I think it’s a relevant consideration but not a big one compared to just basic profitability. In late 2025 he threatened to sell Lighthaven [https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/eKGdCNdKjvTBG9i6y/toss-a-bitcoin-to-your-lightcone-lw-lighthaven-s-2026] if people did not donate several million dollars. > If we fundraise less than $1.4M (or at least fail to get reasonably high confidence commitments that we will get more money before we run out of funds), I expect we will shut down. We will start the process of selling Lighthaven. I will make sure that LessWrong.com [http://LessWrong.com] content somehow ends up in a fine place, but I don’t expect I would be up for running it on a much smaller budget in the long run. > > To help with this, the Survival and Flourishing Fund is matching donations up to $2.6M at an additional 12.5%! This means if we raise $2.6M, we unlock an additional $325k of SFF funding. SFF does not seem to actually control money, it just recommends that third parties donate money. One of these is probably the Survival and Flourishing Corp, a public-benefit corporation. “Our primary client is philanthropist Jaan Tallinn.” [https://survivalandflourishing.com/] My hypothesis is that Lighthaven is security for a $20m loan from Tallinn’s Slimrock company (much like a house is security for a mortgage). That means that donors to Lightcone pay Slimrock, and if they can’t keep up Slimrock keeps $20m of freshly renovated real estate in Berkeley (or the value of selling that real estate). That would also imply that Tallinn is collecting tax deductions for giving to a charity whose greatest single expense is repaying a loan to him.