@JohnShirley2023 I'm not 100% sure either and perfectly open to being wrong. But if Grusch were lying under oath and his sources don't corroborate, he'd be facing years if not decades in prison for perjury.

You'd think given the implications, the national security subcommittee would follow up on his sources and witness list, (which he said in the testimony that he would provide).

Definitely either Dept. of Defense or Maj. Grusch are lying. And of course DoD has never lied before 😆

@JohnShirley2023 Fair enough, John! I was in the same boat as you up until a couple years ago.

If you prefer to wait for a DoD, NASA, etc. to publicly admit they've encountered non-human craft, AND release high-resolution imagery, nothing wrong with that.

To me, we're already at a pretty compelling point of credible testimony, imagery, and probability, though.

@JohnShirley2023 Yes, no doubt that some sightings were balloons. But in this case, Cmdr. Fravor stated in opening statement (under oath) that the tictac-shaped object went rapidly from altitudes of 80,000 feet to 20,000 feet, stayed there, then went back up to 80,000 feet.

He also mentions, "Clear skies, light winds, calm seas, no white caps or waves...It rapidly accelerated in front of us and disappeared."

His description & the footage do not match balloons, human craft or weather phenomena.

@JohnShirley2023 You can believe whatever you like, I have no stake in convincing you. But I challenge you to listen to Graves or Fravor's testimony or any of their past interviews, (most of which show the FLIR camera/infrared footage).

Until you've heard their case I don't see how you can have such a strong opinion on what they saw. I get that old stigmas die hard, but at a certain point you might consider hearing them out if you're truly impartial.

@JohnShirley2023 Come on, John, it's silly to say the Chinese or any other nation or company would secretly have a craft that can go from stationary to supersonic in a matter of seconds. If any nation had that tech, they wouldn't hide it, they would flaunt it for military dominance.

It didn't *look* like it accelerated extraordinarily, it *did* accelerate extraordinarily. Camera, infrared, radar, & pilot witnesses. Not an illusion.