@Wolf480pl @waifu @kurisu @pea @karen @quad There was a civil war when half of them tried to re(con)federate.[0]

I'm in the wrong internet with the wrong equipment to find references, but Tom Woods has mentioned in several episodes how Madison, prez #4, pushed for nationalism and federal power over federation and state power.

I can't say for sure if I've even listened to https://tomwoods.com/ep-369-who-was-the-real-james-madison/ , but its probably a good place to start. I will put it in my queue now.

PS

[0] Yes, mainly for the privilege to treat humans as private property. Just goes to show that centralization sometimes has benefits, as long as you agree with the centralizing power.
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@Wolf480pl @waifu @kurisu @pea @karen @quad Re: confederation there is also the Helvetican Confederation, which is also quite clearly a nation-state of a federation these days, even though it in some ways stays less centralized than the US, e.g. IIUC your citizenship is tied to and granted by your canton and your national citizenship is only a transitive status of your belonging to your canton.
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