Russ Sharek#DeleteFacebook has my performing company discussing the relative merits of having or not having a facebook page for the company.
Interesting conversation, which seems to boil down to "how will they find us."
AlgotHave you a web page?
We do. The fundamental issue being most think Facebook is the internet at the moment.
http://circusfreaks.org if you're interested.
Wups!
I guess I set off a storm of links to your site. I got two errors before the site actually popped up for me.
The silo of FB is a serious issue as AOL once was.
The wish for all of us to have a presence was what Tim Berners-Lee was after. FB is not the answer.
Have you worked on that famous SEO stuff?
SEO: I have in the past. I've been shite about it lately I admit. Busy working on ideas for the actual work. :)
You're the first to mention getting any sort of errors opening the site. What did they say?
Both were some message about "resource limit" being reached.
Once I successfully connected, I lost access to those messages.
@Algot I wonder who's end that was on. Odd.
Hallå Kitteh
⚗️⚗️⚗️ pnathan ⚗️⚗️⚗️@RussSharek I am largely persuaded that Facebook *is* the Neighborhood Water Cooler of today.
I activated a facebook account in the summer, and after joining some local groups - it's where the action is, it IS the public square and bar where drunk rambles go off. It might be less so for upper class areas. But for the lower classes here...
This is, of course, a disaster for Public Democracy. But descriptivistly, Facebook is intertwined with modern life.
#nationalizeFacebook ? :)
Either Facebook needs to finish buying the country and send us all a check, or I remain staunch in my belief that perhaps the public square is better left in the hands of the public.
@RussSharek I don't disagree. In Dec, I moved to a suburban city, in a played out ghetto area. There is 1 Third Place available in a 2 mile radius from me. It closes at 3pm. Busing is a crapshoot. Biking is dangerous.
The Public Square is non-existent without trekking to specific homes or specific Meetings set up by Organizations. The second is The Way It's Done in the Pacific Northwest. No natural culture of community.
I'm in a car-dependent, pedestrian hostile conservative city overly focused on money. My empathies. ;)
@RussSharek Ach, empathies to you too!
The Public Square - the real life fora with ranting preachers on one side, sellers on another, and street theater in the middle - that seems to be largely gone from our life. Yet, it is a historic feature of our civilization (we know this by paintings and writings extending back hundreds of years).
I see a glimpse of this at *some* Farmer's markets, but it is ephemeral.
@pnathan We need places to play, not shop.
@RussSharek Yes. Have you ever been to Seattle? It tries to preserve this in two separate venues- Pike Place Market and Westlake Plaza.
Pike Place is largely sellers and crowds, but not generally the full "forum".
Westlake is, unfortunately, a semi-permanent homeless shelter. It also is The Place for all speakers and protests. Every week, some protest on Friday. It's almost an empty ritual at this point. It's very - and I hate this word - "neoliberal". It doesn't have the Quality w/o a Name
@RussSharek all that to say, I don't have a good view of what it takes. In the PNW, any big "open" area to the public immediately picks up a drug seller/addict crowd and then needles, which is, ah, not conducive to the totality of The Public being present.
I think part of that "bad coming in" is a lack of intentionally bringing good in. Street performers act as community eyes, people making it their place means they take care of it, etc.
I'm being a little optimistic in my thinking, but the point remains. You have to have more than just space...there needs to be intent as well.
@RussSharek There are intentional aspects in Seattle to bring in performers but it only goes so far. I think it relates to the Alexandrian QWAN concept. The environment needs to be hospitable, not just a place. If that makes sense.
Not familiar with Alexandrian QWAN. Explain?
@RussSharek Mmm.
Christopher Alexander was a contrarian architect who considered Modernist and Postmodernist buildings antihuman.
For Alexander, the comfort, maintenance, and habiliability of a building took precedence over the artistic merits. For him, the old family farmhouse was a pinnacle of excellent design, as it had been adapted and loved through the years. Similar, the European town squares which are scaled well. The essence was the QWAN - the quality without a name.
@RussSharek https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Alexander
A Pattern Language and the Timeless Way of Building are his most influential works.
ooh, thank you!
@RussSharek http://www.katarxis3.com/Alexander_Eisenman_Debate.htm Here's a debate Alexander had ages ago.
and I find in many ways I really dig Alexander and his vision
I've not, though it's on the list.
antlers@RussSharek I think it is maybe doable to *have* a facebook page, with general info, that links to your website and other social media, but not really *use* it. That way those who still experience the web primarily through facebook can still *find* you that way, but be redirected elsewhere
I think that is where we are heading.
Anyone know of a good way to remove all the content from a facebook page without deleting it?
Anton@masklayer
That's a very brave move.
You probably meant to ask if you can change visibility of all the content (leave it on FB, but make invisible), right? At https://www.facebook.com/settings?tab=privacy&view you can do (something like) that under
"Limit The Audience for Old Posts on Your Timeline"
Namely, it will:
"Posts on your timeline that you've shared with Friends of friends, and Public posts, will now be shared only with Friends. Anyone tagged in these posts, and their friends, may also still see these posts."
hvincent@RussSharek they'll find you by encountering you in the world when you are upside-down and laughing
That has been the hope and experience. We are lucky to work just enough visible events that people have gotten to know us. Our reputation and proof is right there.*
*Because it is very difficult to lie about your physical abilities in this sense.
Or crying. That part (the hand balancing) is still borderline traumatic for me at the moment.
It's making me stronger though.