I don't talk about religion much. I feel like I wanna do that today.

I'm an atheist. I don't talk about it much because I was raised in a 6 generation deep southern baptist family on one side, and by the daughter of an eastern orthodox archpriest on the other.

My family is deeply religious.

My dad has a degree in theology, and taught the youth groups for most of my life. He sang in a gospel group with the word "faithful" in the name (which is where he met his second wife. #irony.)

But I left all that 10 years ago.

There are a lot of things that churches provide that I miss.

Don't get me wrong, I don't miss the bigotry and the abuse of power (which, at the end of the day, is like 80% of most churches)

But I miss the sense of family and community.

I miss having people I could rely on in a pinch. I miss feeling like the creator had a master plan. I miss the worship.

Let's talk about worship.

Worship services do weird things to your brain.

You know that feeling you get at a concert, when Alison Mosshart (or whoever you care about) looks out in to the audience and it feels like she's looking right in to your soul as she sings "baby says"? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfLcPYA3Nlk)

You know that feeling of oneness, stillness, that comes with losing yourself in that crowd? Singing along? Worshiping at the altar of rock?

Imagine getting that every week.

The Kills - Baby Says

YouTube

It's hella addictive.

You sing along, you take part, you listen to intelligent people deeply analyze and study and lecture and you feel like you're a part of something bigger than yourself.

Except that, I don't anymore. I had to go to a church service out of social obligation a few years ago, and I felt angry and uncomfortable the entire time.

I saw the tricks the charlatan was using, the gaps in logic, the propaganda. It made me sick.

On the way home, I followed out the arguments that the pastor had made to their logical extremes.

Out loud, to everyone.

I deconstructed the entire sermon down in to, essentially, "when bad things happen, it's god punishing you. Therefore, Obama is god punishing us."

The people in the car told me to shut up, and that I clearly wasn't "receptive" to the "word of god"

And shit does it ever make me mad when people use "the word of god" or "god's will" as an excuse for being dicks.

My aunt, when I asked the world in general if anyone could pick me up and take me to work one day, after my car broke down, told me she would pray for me.

She lived less than a mile away, was at home, had no plans.

When I asked her directly, she said she didn't feel like getting out of bed.

There's an old joke about a flood.

People are standing on their roof during a flood. A boat comes by to rescue them and the people say "god will provide" and let the boat pass.

Similar things happen four or five times.

The people die. When they get to heaven they ask god why he didn't save them. God says "I sent five boats what more could you want?"

And I heard that joke in church all the time (Which, I think, would be considered a sin.) but no one ever really understood it.

The joke is, essentially, "god isn't doing shit for you, do it yourself."
But in a lot of modern churches, that's been missed entirely.

Oh! Real quick!

If you're a practitioner of any religion, christianity included, I don't have a beef with you.

Enjoy your worship. I'm not here to talk you out of it, or to tell you that it's wrong.

I'm salty about abuses of power in the name of the church. I'm salty about the church being oppressive.

If you find value in your worship, I totally get that. Enjoy it, or whatever. It's just not for me.

Okay, back to our regularly scheduled program:

I believe there is something psychologically powerful and valuable in the act of worship.

I believe it's part of our devotion to celebrity, to sports.

It's part of human nature.

Study, community, fellowship, and worship are all healthy and good, IMO.

Finding those things outside of the church, without the negativity of most churches, is hard.
@ajroach42 You're right. What you are looking for is a bunch of friends or interest-sharers, that follow a common 'rule-set' of helping each other out when needed. Such things can be found, but always restrict your freedom in some form. Which you obviously do not want. ^^

@hil

I mean, I guess?

What I'm looking for is a neutral third place (as in third place theory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_place), where people go to intentionally learn and help one another.

But outside of churches, those don't really exist.

There's bars (bleh) and libraries (solitude and quiet) and commercial spaces.

The closest thing I've found to worship services in my adult life is honestly Pokemon Go.

Third place - Wikipedia

@ajroach42 hehe, nice.. pokemon go.
I guess you are right. I come from a similar background and had to abandon most family and friends to get rid of religious stupidity in my life. I found my place in art communities etc. But i'm also perfectly fine on my own. I enjoy being a hermit also... Good luck on your search!

@hil

Seriously though, pkmn go gets people together in public spaces, and has them work together towards communal goals.

It's the only thing I've seen in the modern world, outside of sports and rock and roll, that can do that.

@ajroach42 Never been on Lan parties, uh? ^^ The gaming scene is one huge love fest. Join a local group in your city and have regular real life meetups... so many things you cd do
@ajroach42 It depends upon one's perspective. Some of the Gnostic paths are pretty well documented and have their communities. Some of the lesser known paths encourage exploration and experimentation, and most of all rumination in the form of documentation of Things.

@drwho

Huh?

I feel like we may be talking about different things here.

"Study, community, fellowship, and worship are all healthy and good, IMO.

Finding those things outside of the church is hard."

@ajroach42 We may be. I was badly (still waking up, sorry) referring to non-"churches" that were still communities of people who shared a particular path or perspective. I was also referring to groups that encourage one to come to their own conclusions in various ways - again, not churches but still communities that function somewhat along the lines of churches.

I think I need more coffee.

@drwho

Huh?

I feel like we may be talking about different things here.

"Study, community, fellowship, and worship are all healthy and good, IMO.

Finding those things outside of the church is hard."

@drwho

Also, I thought most of the gnostic texts were lost?

@ajroach42 Most are. Some still exist in various translations. I guess you could call some of them neo-Gnostic or Gnostic-reconstruction or Gnostic-redevelopment...

@drwho

Also, I thought most of the gnostic texts were lost?

@ajroach42

93.

Fair enough.

93/93 93

@drwho Again, what?

@ajroach42 A statement of "Hi, I'm on a path of some kind;" agreement with your statements as succinctly as possible; a traditional parting of my path.

If someone speaks in some way of the ineffable, and I feel a need to say something (most of the time I don't), I tend to raise my own flag as it were.

@drwho

Ah, okay.

I was just confused by what 93 meant.

Also, all of your replies are not threading at all. Wonder why.

@ajroach42 It's Hebrew and Greek gematria.

They're not? This is really strange... maybe there's a version mismatch between our respective instances?

@drwho I've never heard of Gemartria before.

Cursory googling was pretty interesting. Guess I'll study that some more at some point.

@drwho I've never heard of Gemartria before.

Cursory googling was pretty interesting. Guess I'll study that some more at some point.

@drwho

Ah, okay.

I was just confused by what 93 meant.

Also, all of your replies are not threading at all. Wonder why.