Kate BarrettIf you live in britain, vote for labour
Florian@thewaether I'm still feeling a bit thrown under the bus by the "free movement will end" turn but other than that the manifesto is good
@theoutrider I thought they said the opposite? That they weren't going to focus on immigrtion as an issue at all. I don't know if I can dig up the quote, though
@thewaether yeah, that was the draft manifesto. They backpedalled on that, reportedly Starmer pushed for it to be changed
@theoutrider ugh. I swear, left wing partied keep pandering to the right thinking it will get them votes, and it always leaves their actual base behind. and then they don't vote for them, and it reinforces itself.
Mind, despite labour's failings, this is the most left platform I've seen in this country my whole life, so I'm still voting for them. It's either 1 bad thing or all the bad things
@thewaether I'm not allowed to vote anyway so it's a moot point but I agree. The manifesto also specifies that they would guarantee a "truly meaningful vote on the final deal" which sounds like a get-out clause.
@thewaether If I were to vote I'd be quite torn - Cambridge's former LD MP is a legitimately good guy, and the current Labour one has been woefully ineffective on basically anything.
I became a Labour member after Corbyn's first election but as an EU citizen with a UK partner any variant of Brexit would be potential trouble. At the same time I don't think the LDs could get strong enough to actually reverse anything, while Labour still seem to be trying to keep all options open...
@theoutrider yeah. I've always been against brexit for exactly those reasons (free travel made things so much easier) I'd say if your labour MP is inneffective, you've gotta vote for em anyway, cause the choice is,
Labour: do good innefficiently
Tories: do evil very efficiently
Labour: do good innefficiently
Tories: do evil very efficiently
@thewaether I'm more than a little grouchy about both Labour and the LDs going "lol coalition? fuck no" because for shit's sake, you're literally saying you'd rather hand power to the Tories than have to share it with anyone else
@theoutrider It's likely to be very close, too. The lib dems would easily join the tories again, so it could come down to their choice.
I know the SNP hates labour, but, labour joining with them could be the only way to avoid the tories. That would be very weird