@ohyran there is a case to be made that it's really not the users' fault. Certain corporations have made their business model out of users not being able to understand the consequences of their actions.
Corps have armies of lawyers and technologists to make sense out of new technologies and changing law; users are fscked.
Technology changes faster than we can adapt:
http://rys.io/en/67
@rysiek I disagree with the last bit as I see it the other way around - technology especially social ones changes too fast for companies to be able to abuse it for profit. There is always a window of opportunity that closes eventually. "Customers" are boned yes, "users" might be.
Also if a conman tricks a person over and over - it doesn't excuse the conmans action... but the victim should be able to hear that he/she is a bit thick.
@ohyran the most savvy users, "in" on the new technology in question, get ahead of governments and corporations, true.
Regular users still get surprised that stuff is public by default on Twitter!
Not to mention the more fine details of how "Like" buttons or ads track users.
Corporations have a huge incentive to stay ahead of the curve, and they do - with regards to huge majority of users. Which causes frustration for the savvy minority, as exemplified by the original toot.
@rysiek is the word twitter banned or something?
My argument that technology is often disconnected from the capitals logic and is slowly (or quickly depending on time frame) merged into the fold eventually. Twitter, social media etc are already folded into it.
As for users getting tricked - yes some are very surprised of this, but I think the number is lower than your estimate. I think defeatism is more common than ignorance in that case
@ohyran it's not banned, but is passé. ;)
Agreed on defeatism. And perhaps a bit of "technocomplacency": http://rys.io/en/39
There is a difference between "I am aware of something, and am not okay with it" and "I am aware of something, am not okay with it, and have ways to deal with it". That's where we need to get.
But that last part is really damn hard. And that's by design of large teams of well-paid people. #Assymetry
@rysiek well lets start by going "we can do it" - take solutions like nextcloud as a way to create a private cloud. It's ticking along and it works. All it needs is to break the "nerd ceiling" into further use. :)
But I agree mostly.
Also shit never becomes passe - its "Current", "Irrelevant" and then "Retro" (walks off the catwalk in a huff) :)
@ohyran I know, I'm managing a couple of NC deployments. It has already broken the nerd-ceiling.
The fork from oC was The Best Thing that Could Happen. So happy about it.
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