DJ SundogMay 9, 2017

So, just posted from my mastodon.social account - with a mention of this account, toot showed up here 3 seconds later.

I also posted with no mention - that toot still has not arrived after 3 minutes.

Show threadMaiyannah BishopMay 9, 2017
@djsundog Yeah I can only speculate as to what, based on my knowledge of OStatus and general Ruby knowledge, but *something* isn't working quite right there anyways.
Show threadDJ SundogMay 9, 2017
@maiyannah I mostly want to make sure it's localized to their queues and isn't also affecting the lab, but yeah, I'm thinking there's a stuffed queue somewhere over yonder - the sysadmin in me would be log spelunking right about now were those my boxen :)
Show threadMaiyannah BishopMay 9, 2017
@djsundog Are you also on the head revision of master?  Because the relevant change is like ... today ish.  Maybe yesterday.
Show threadDJ SundogMay 9, 2017
@maiyannah no, as soon as tagged releases hit his repo I moved to the tags, and have been holding off for about a day after the first wave of folk install the tagged release. Staying on the bleeding edge of that codebase was taking too much post-upgrade troubleshooting time for my current tastes ;)
Show threadsungoMay 9, 2017
@djsundog @maiyannah Given the rate of recent change (and the apparent misunderstanding of how semver works), I'd suggest waiting a week. Supposedly they're running dotsocial on release candidates for a day before public release. That seems to be not enough time for issues to show up.
Show threadMaiyannah BishopMay 9, 2017
@sungo @djsundog No it really isn't.  I run new changes at least a couple weeks on HLA and now Plateia before they rotate from Nightly to Master.
Show threadDJ SundogMay 9, 2017
@maiyannah @sungo you'll never win the race to move fast and break things like that, pal ;)
Show threadsungoMay 9, 2017
@djsundog @maiyannah I very much appreciate how not-broken pA is :) Even nightly is more stable and not-broken than *cough* other products.
Show threadMaiyannah BishopMay 9, 2017
@sungo @djsundog You know I often get a bit embarassed because the bugs that HAVE slipped the net have been the "embarassingly simple" kinds of things.
Show threadDJ SundogMay 9, 2017
@maiyannah @sungo those are just the times you let the younger generation see that it's okay to let one slip once in a while, even the silly ones :)
Show threadsungoMay 9, 2017
@djsundog Uh. To us, @maiyannah *is* the younger generation :)
Show threadDJ Sundog
@sungo @maiyannah true dat :) but I've got grandkids that need good role models, gotta keep the role model pipeline full, can't have generational role model starvation... ;)
May 9, 2017 at 11:54pmWeb
Show threadsungoMay 9, 2017
@djsundog @maiyannah Do me a favor and starting teaching those grandkids the fundamentals of TCP/IP. By the time they're ready to take over the industry, they'll be the only ones who understand it.
Show threadMunin, Keeper of LoreMay 9, 2017
@sungo @djsundog @maiyannah Ugh, ain't that the truth. All the kids these days showing up have no conception of the underlying tech - in another ten years, those of use who actually know how non-layer-7 stuff works will be the very very small minority.
Show threadsungoMay 9, 2017
@munin @maiyannah @djsundog I'm gonna get a tat that reads IT IS NOT THE FUCKING NETWORK YOUR APP IS SHIT
Show threadMunin, Keeper of LoreMay 9, 2017

@sungo @djsundog @maiyannah

The app's bad performance is because the app is too fragile to handle the reality that no network is perfectly functioning. :-/

Show threadMunin, Keeper of LoreMay 9, 2017

@maiyannah @djsundog @sungo

[And as someone who lives on backwoods DSL, I see a LOT of that bullshit ]

Show threadMaiyannah BishopMay 9, 2017
@munin @djsundog @sungo I'm on two DSL lines that are bonded.  And a local mesh network for when that shits the bed.
Show threadMunin, Keeper of LoreMay 10, 2017

@maiyannah @sungo @djsundog

I'm on a single DSL line and there's nobody else in this canyon capable of running another mesh node :-(

Show threadMaiyannah BishopMay 10, 2017
@munin @djsundog @sungo I pay through the nose for that second line but it has helped a ton.
Show threadMunin, Keeper of LoreMay 10, 2017

@maiyannah @sungo @djsundog

Unfortunately, up here, that'd not do any good - the real problem is that the local exchange is shamefully oversubscribed and gorram deathstar has no interest in upgrading infra.

Show threadDJ SundogMay 10, 2017
@munin @maiyannah @sungo didn't we fight an antitrust war to get rid of their asses
Show threadMunin, Keeper of LoreMay 10, 2017

@djsundog @maiyannah @sungo

Monopolies aren't illegal anymore I guess.

I mean, -technically- I could get satellite 'net? But that'd never let me do my job.

Show threadDJ SundogMay 10, 2017
@munin @maiyannah @sungo Cousin Elon gonna fix everybody's internets in space
Show threadsungoMay 10, 2017
@djsundog @maiyannah @munin Space is bare minimum one second latency. Usually it's two seconds. Just the physics of beaming shit to LEO and back.
Show threadDJ SundogMay 10, 2017
@sungo @munin @maiyannah but it's Him
Show threadMunin, Keeper of LoreMay 10, 2017

@djsundog @sungo @maiyannah

If there's -ever- an ansible created, I don't care the cost, I -will- colo an ansible node in a backbone DC and run my net through that.

Show threadMaiyannah BishopMay 10, 2017
@djsundog @munin @sungo I never understand the worship level of devotion people give Elon Musk but I guess that's because I live in reality, not hypothetical Promises-People-Dont-Deliver-On Land
Show threadMaiyannah BishopMay 10, 2017
@djsundog @sungo @munin Maybe this is why I only lasted a couple years as an executive.
Show threadDJ SundogMay 10, 2017
@maiyannah @sungo Yeah, an aversion to reality distortion fields is severely career limiting in tech these days ;)
Show threadsungoMay 10, 2017
@maiyannah @djsundog @munin Being in middle america, their miracles never apply to us.
Show threadDJ SundogMay 10, 2017
@sungo @munin @maiyannah but you've got great... cheese?
Show threadMaiyannah BishopMay 10, 2017
@sungo @munin @djsundog He really strikes me as the kind of guy who just strings one VC thing until hes done milking it to the next.
Show threadMaiyannah BishopMay 10, 2017
@djsundog @sungo @munin Not that I've ever dealt with those types, no ma'am, not me. >.>
Show threadpettter ✅May 10, 2017
@maiyannah @djsundog @sungo I'm guessing he inherited Steve Jobs reality distortion field generator.
Show threadMaiyannah BishopMay 10, 2017
@munin @djsundog @sungo Here packet loss is the real issue because the winter ruins our infrastructure and the providers are shit about repairing it, so I kind of brute force it.
Show threadMaiyannah BishopMay 9, 2017
@munin @djsundog @sungo If you expect ideal circumstances to operate your app, your app will never operate.
Show threadMunin, Keeper of LoreMay 9, 2017

@maiyannah @sungo @djsundog

Unfortunately, these kids seem to dev their apps on ideal circumstances.

I would dearly love to see them operate from my network for a week.

Show threadsungoMay 10, 2017
@munin @maiyannah @djsundog As a person who has done lots of development, sysadmin, and network, I am often called upon to sit in a room and mediate while we all tell the developers NO REALLY THIS IS YOUR FUCKING FAULT
Show threadMaiyannah BishopMay 10, 2017
@sungo @munin @djsundog IME 99% of network errors are three actual kinds of errors:

1:  PEBKAC
2: The app is shit
3: Someone is cutting corners in the server budget and the server cant handle the load
Show threadsungoMay 10, 2017
@maiyannah @djsundog (4) A sysadmin decided to get cute with a server configuration. "IPv6 isn't working!" You're blocking all ICMP. "StackOverflow said I should!" You're fired.
Show threadDJ SundogMay 10, 2017
@sungo @maiyannah okay, you've convinced me that the "Young Person's Illustrated Guide to the IETF RFCs" should be a thing.
Show threadMaiyannah BishopMay 9, 2017
@sungo @munin @djsundog I feel like this could resolve 99% of the complaints of reachability from certain quarters >.>
Show threadDJ SundogMay 10, 2017
@munin @sungo @maiyannah do you want a big iron technological priesthood because
Show threadMaiyannah BishopMay 10, 2017
@djsundog @munin @sungo Our kids are going to be the first generation of WH40K style Tech Priests.  Give praise to the machine spirit!
Show threadMunin, Keeper of LoreMay 10, 2017

@maiyannah @sungo @djsundog

I mean, pretty much? Have you -seen- the excuse for troubleshooting they hand out these days?

Show threadMaiyannah BishopMay 10, 2017
@munin @djsundog @sungo I have seen StackOverflow yes.
Show threadsungoMay 10, 2017
@maiyannah @munin @djsundog  I laughed mightily.