I've always been skeptical of the JS community's mania for Babel plugins and compile-to-JS languages, and honestly, working with the Mastodon codebase and trying to shrink a 2.6MB JS bundle, I feel like my worst fears have been realized.

I've decomposed all of Mastodon's Babel presets into these plugins. If I remove a single one, I get some inscrutable error apparently caused by some other plugin in the pipeline. Feels like a big Jenga tower. 😞 #MastodonPerf

In my ideal world, we'd have two bundles:

1. ES6 without polyfills (for modern browsers)
2. ES5 fallback (using a "cut the mustard" test like fetch+Object.assign+etc.)

At this point I can't even figure out what the savings would be for #1 vs #2 because I can't get the codebase to compile *without* the Babel transforms. I wanted to try Rollup and/or Bublé too but those just feel off the table given all the JSX/spread/rest/decorators fanciness. Feeling like a JS curmudgeon here. #MastodonPerf

Like, in 99.9% of my JS projects I use vanilla ES5 and *maybe* ES6 modules, but only because then I can use Rollup to compile down to the smallest possible JS, which I then ship to consumers.

Performance is a top priority for me, and I just don't feel like syntactic sugar like arrow functions, template strings, const/let, etc. are so important that it's worth shipping a bunch of polyfills and transpiler bloat to my consumers. But I feel like I'm in the tiny minority on this one. #MastodonPerf

Anyway enough complaining. The goal here is to help make things better and not just tell these kids to get off my damned lawn. Back to reading about how Babel plugin order works and how to debug which plugin needs which other plugin. 😅 #MastodonPerf

@nolan I really have the same feeling with most of the "modern" js project I encounter, coming from the python world all of this looks like total madness (and the regular nodejs drama don't help at all)

After having played quite a lot with it ELM really looks like a more practical path.