Fascinating dynamic unfolding across Mastodon: instances are dividing into two ideological factions: safe speech, and free speech.

The safe speech instances are likely to start sharing domain-level blocklists (like Adblock but for speech) in the near future, to "curb harassment".

The free speech instances legitimately don't seem to care, and so far, have held much more interesting, substantive and intellectual conversations than the safe speech zones.

What can you expect from me? Free speech.

@wogan It's very weird to hear “allowing harrasment and discrimination” described as “free speech”.

Free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences, doesn't mean you are entitled to say anything anywhere anywhen, and doesn't mean others are forced to listen to you.

(Also, when the only thing you have to say about your discourse is that it's not illegal for you to have it, well...)

@kellerfuchs I agree it's weird to hear that, which is why I didn't say it :)

@wogan Oh, I guess I must have misunderstood you then.

What did you have in mind re: “safe speech” vs. “free speech” ?

@kellerfuchs Priorities.

Safe speech = The priority is to make sure everyone feels included, welcome, and safe, and that they can share things about themselves without facing criticism or ridicule.

Free speech = With few limitations, every topic is on the table. Ideas (not people) can and should be interrogated, picked apart, and thoroughly understood, even if the process makes some people feel uncomfortable.

Broadly, that.

@wogan @kellerfuchs This is a false dichotomy. I challenge you to find a single instance which prioritizes either of these.

@YOLO_STALIN @kellerfuchs

vulpine.club
toot.cafe

There's two that prioritize safe spaces.

social.heldsca.la
unsafe.space

There's two that prioritize free speech.

@wogan @kellerfuchs

continued:

social.heldsca.la: does not exist

unsafe.space: "a safe space for dangerous ideas"

@YOLO_STALIN @kellerfuchs

https://social.heldscal.la

Typo, sorry.

And what's your point with unsafe.space? My argument is precisely that they prioritize free speech over safe speech. Literally in their name.

@wogan @kellerfuchs They make it clear that their priority is in fact to provide a safe space for "unsafe speech." Which is directly at odds with the idea that said ideologies should be interrogated, picked apart, and thoroughly debunked, even if that makes them uncomfortable.

social.heldscal.la doesn't have an about page or rules, so I wouldn't know what they prioritize. However, the content seems to be mostly bitching about safe spaces.

@YOLO_STALIN @kellerfuchs

Still waiting for your point. You said I presented a "false dichotomy", in an environment that adds brand new instances every day. Through the sheer force of time I will eventually be able to yield an instance that does exactly what I predicted re free speech.

So what's your actual argument here?

@wogan @kellerfuchs My point is that your narrative is fiction. This is evident in the fact that, despite your claim of a "fascinating dynamic unfolding across mastodon," you cannot find a single real-world example. To this, your response would be that of course there are examples, of course there are places where Smart People Debate Freely™ and places where Hurt Feelings Rule All™, because you feel that way. This is a case where your feelings don't matter.

@YOLO_STALIN

You're making literally no sense

@kellerfuchs