@strypey @deadsuperhero #tribler is routing around the state there, too.  
@jeffcliff as the Russian communists learned the hard way, Marx was wrong, power does not just "whither away", it fights to maintain itself
@strypey To that we agree, the technological factors of production do not determine the outcome alone. 
@strypey @jeffcliff Marx didn't think that power would whither away. The socialists of his time saw what happened to the Paris commune and concluded that to succeed there would need to be a "dictatorship of proletarians" as a transitionary step to communism. Only if the social revolution believed to be immanent could be actively defended could it survive in an environment of hostile imperialism. This frames the thinking of the Bolsheviks and the Soviet Union which followed.