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MutantTailThingAnon is right on the Marx.
He analyzed capitalism (and religion), and his model predicted regular worsening crises when the market couldnāt expand further, leading to its eventual abolition.
He was employed as a journalist and published books on history and economics.
I swear libs just make stuff up that sounds right and then believe the shit they fantasized
> post made by 4chan user
> lib
Pick one.
Lemmites just be spouting buzzwords at this point.
Liberalism is the philosophy of capitalism, the guy in OP is definitionly a lib.
Yes, historically that is the case. Semantics drift over time, though. Even though both liberals and conservatives are classical liberals, only one actually still uses the liberal label. When you donāt acknowledge semantic drift, you alienate others because they canāt follow what youāre saying. If you want to destroy capitalism, you need to make the circle of people bigger, not shoulder people out before they begin.
Phrased another way, you want to move the Overton window leftwards, not contribute to it shrinking to the right.
Nah. We donāt need to surrender the overton window to liberals and let them dictate that the alternative to capitalism is capitalism, except the workers get more crumbs and minorities get conditional protections. Moving the Overton window left of the current rightwing framing requires people to realize how rightwing the current framing is.
Yesā¦ by teaching people. Meaning you need to reach them. If the way you talk is a barrier to being understood, youāre going to reach way less people, my man.
Iām gonna quote scripture, not cause Iām Christian or anything (catholic apostate atheist), but because my sister fell into a Christian cult so this is an example that quickly comes to mind (her āchurchā had a real goofy interpretation of this that a lot of new American Christian Cults regularly have). 1 Corinthians 14:3-8, where Paul tells the Corinthians, who were holding mass at the time in Hebrew, that they need to speak to be understood. If they hold mass speaking a language that no one outside their church understands, they only lift themselves up. But if they speak to be understood, then they can lift up everyone.
Sorry to say, while using liberal in the way you do is definitely a nice shorthand to be able to identify people who are safe for you to express your views with, it also alienates those who donāt know what the historical term means. Speak Latin, dammit (that was how the catholic church misinterpreted Paulās teaching in this letter. And the new Christians use it to promote speaking tongues. Arenāt religions great? /s)
Why when both are accurate
iktHe analyzed capitalism (and religion), and his model predicted regular worsening crises when the market couldnāt expand further, leading to its eventual abolition.
How ironic that China/Russia/North Korea etc instead decided to leap on it and realise that it sucks instead
Oh, Russia and North Korea did really made some leaps - look at them now, such great places to leave!
You think the workers own the means of production in North Korea? Cause Iām pretty sure thatās glorious leader who does
You mean this one?
The Workersā Party of Korea (WPK)[a] is the ruling party of North Korea. Founded in 1949 from a merger between the Workersā Party of North Korea and the Workersā Party of South Korea, the WPK is the oldest active party in Korea. It also controls the Korean Peopleās Army, North Koreaās armed forces. The WPK is the largest party represented in the Supreme Peopleās Assembly and coexists with two other legal parties that are completely subservient to the WPK and must accept the WPKās āleading roleā as a condition of their existence. Kim Jong Un is the current party leader, serving as General Secretary of the WPK.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers'_Party_of_Korea
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But like I said, hereās a bit of AI for you, feel free to fact check it:
Marx and Engels described communism as the final stage of human society, emerging after:
Capitalism collapses due to its internal contradictions (e.g., class struggle, overproduction).
Marx assumed this would happen naturally in advanced capitalist societies (e.g., Germany, UK) with strong worker movements.
Instead, communism was imposed by force in pre-industrial, agrarian societies (e.g., Russia, China, Cuba) where the conditions Marx described didnāt exist.
And as I said in my first reply: aussie.zone/comment/23631616
How ironic that China/Russia/North Korea etc instead decided to leap on it and realise that it sucks instead
or tldr: Iām sure capitalism will collapse any day now š¤£
Russian living standards were comparable to the west under the USSR despite not having the plundered wealth of the global south to prop them up. Modern Russiaās conditions are entirely due to its embrace of capitalism.
rockerfacešŗš¦despite not having the plundered wealth of the global south
yeah, they plundered all the lands they were supposed to liberate from the russian empire instead
You think what China is doing is capitalism?
Cool, lets get the kind of capitalism where we plan for how much of each resource and what price industry needs every 5 years, build enough housing rent is <300USD and food like 2 bucks in major cities, I can get an xray, ultrasound, and consult for 12 bucks (this is still too much), and occasionally we take a capitalist out back and shoot them if they get too political or end up responsible for the death of workers.
Oligarchical capture of communist states, especially authoritarian ones, is going to recreate capitalism as it concentrates more wealth without more accountability. Plus, capitalist countries donāt play with states with markets they canāt expand into.
Oligarchical capture of communist states, especially authoritarian ones, is going to recreate capitalism as it concentrates more wealth without more accountability
How can it recreate capitalism without a free market? Thatās communist not capitalist
China has billionaires and private property. Is that not capitalist enough?
sadly capitalism is more than a left wing progressive 5 word meme
There are volumes of books used to describe and explain and understand the intricacies of modern economies, and people who understand it arenāt coming to this shithole thatās for sure
Whatever the fuck is happening in China is definitely further from communism than it is from capitalism, by any measure
No shit, they tried it, apparently it didnāt go very well:
The Great Leap Forward was an industrialization campaign within China from 1958 to 1962, led by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). CCP Chairman Mao Zedong launched the campaign to transform the country from an agrarian society into an industrialized society through the formation of peopleās communes. The Great Leap Forward led to between 15 and 55 million deaths in mainland China during the 1959ā1961 Great Chinese Famine it caused, making it the largest or second-largest famine[1] in human history.[2][3][4][5]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward
So they decided to switch to a mixed market economy with capitalist elements en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reform_and_opening_up
and apparently things are going pretty well
The reforms led to significant economic growth for China within the successive decades; this phenomenon has since been seen as an āeconomic miracleā.[1][2][4][5]
Juuuuust kidding, they actually stayed true to their communism roots and shunned the free market, international trade, every worker worked to his or her own ability, owned the means of production, never had any issues or disagreements and they lived happily, ever, after. The end š
Bold words from a 4chan chud
Never made any financial contributions, I assume OP means, completely missing the mark about Marx being anticapitalist. Ignoring the obvious: We still talk about Karl Marx, even make unprompted green text about him, proving a social contribution
froufoxHe didnāt oppose religion that much, definitely not in āa reddit atheistā way, opium has been commonly used in medicine as a painkiller those days: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_of_the_people
Tldr, he is saying religion is a human response to inhuman conditions.