@davidgerard ...... it's so odd to see people not even consider the possibility of coding without relying on the infinite spam generator

@ireneista @davidgerard Same.. like, people have been coding for decades prior to this...
Like, absolute most-lenient interpretation, It's like asking how we'll do math if calculators stop working,
or how will we write books without printers/typewriters/word processors,
like - we *KNOW* how this works, we have known how this works for a long time.
(In reality, I do not think an LLM is half as useful as a desk calculator or a typewriter, but, I was giving a favourable reading of the post)

@miss_rodent @davidgerard yeah absolutely

@ireneista @miss_rodent @davidgerard this was the biggest shock to me when i worked my first faang job. I was expecting the sanitized culture. I was tolerant of the long hours. But my word, i have never seen so much passionless code. No cheeky comments or variable names, no break room discussion of our favorite esolangs, and most of all no peer review. They say there's peer review but I think i was the only person on the team who was asking questions like "is this parameter necessary?" or "could we give this numeric literal a better name?" and also positive feedback like "great use of standard libraries" and "thank you for adding a readme".

@nycki @ireneista @davidgerard Yeah, a lot of people go into software dev/code jobs because it was (until recently) a job in high-demand that paid well, and not a lot of people could do well. not because they particularly like or care about it.
Now, though, we have a glut of 'computer science' graduates, many of whom would have preferred to do something else, but, the things they wanted a degree in don't pay - and if this LLM thing plays out as planned, neither will code.

@nycki @ireneista @davidgerard made worse by the fact that they are 'computer science' majors, and not like, math majors with a focus on computers, because a math degree is pretty flexible, but 'Computer Science' is a degree with like... maybe 4 career paths, all of which are flooded and trying to replace as much of the human labour of them with the neonazi slopbots as possible.

@miss_rodent @ireneista @davidgerard Hmm. I majored in "computational mathematics". I'm pretty good at the math side of that but I almost never get to use it. Where are these math jobs of which you speak?

@nycki @davidgerard @miss_rodent yeah we grew up around mathematicians and we don't think jobs are the point of math :D

@ireneista @davidgerard @miss_rodent yeah, that's kind of why I did the split major thing, I was told that a math degree wouldn't get me any business.

I also minored in Philosophy and did really good at technical writing and symbolic logic. And the worst part is that I keep seeing billion dollar corporations FUMBLE those things and I want so desperately to HELP THEM

@nycki @davidgerard @miss_rodent they wouldn't accept the help. some friends of ours were hired by Google to tell them the mathematical and philosophical problems with machine learning systems, then subsequently fired by Google for doing that. companies only hear what they want to hear.

@ireneista @nycki @davidgerard Yeah, pointing out all the things they're doing wrong seems like a quick way to get fired.
They don't want help - they want people with Qualifications™ to say on-record that they are right (even if they are not)

@miss_rodent @ireneista @davidgerard I guess my point is that I don't believe there are any jobs left that do pay, and I'm left thinking, what is the point? Do they just want to bleed the economy dry until it implodes? If you don't pay people then who's gonna be alive to make your coffee??