SaltyAmericanThey prevent liberation by selling you back your chains with populous rhetoric and slogans
I think that’s a big reason many Americans don’t vote. It’s not really a choice, just the perception of a choice and the spectacle of a contest.
Democrats are far from perfect, but the gulf between Democrats and Republicans is immense and the false “both sides” rhetoric is tiring and a big reason why we’re in this mess.
Do you think we’d have war in Iran, no USAID, and dismantled regulatory agencies if Kamala had won the last election? There is a choice.
No, I’ll agree with you in general, but I would also say that both sides are generally working for billionaires and operate generally as neoliberal parties. Biden even proudly confessed his capitalist convictions.
I don’t disagree that if this last election had gone differently we’d be in a different probably better position, but I also don’t think we have universal healthcare. Plenty more nuance to that than will fit in a comments section, but yes I agree but there’s a lot more to it and people hear democratic promises but don’t often see democratic action.
GodlessCommieNeoliberals are fascist
WYLD_STALLYNSThe choice was almost always, come to choose the lesser of two evils. Unfortunately people think by not voting it will somehow make a difference, when in reality it just shows that people give up when it’s too hard and expect someone else to fix it.
The first basic step is always to keep the boulder from rolling further downhill by voting to prevent more decline. Given enough time, change can happen, you just have to realize it’s incredibly slow moving like evolution and requires more of us at the top instead of sitting on our hands and letting social influence turds fill the offices.
It isn’t like this can’t be retaken, it just requires more than one person taking office.
It isn’t like this can’t be retaken, it just requires more than one person taking office.
“we need to slow the decline by mindlessly voting for people who consistently continue the decline”
The choice was almost always, come to choose the lesser of two evils.
The margin between lesser and greater evil keeps narrowing.
You are literally advocating for US imperialism in your BS reply
Do you think we’d have war in Iran, no USAID, and dismantled regulatory agencies if Kamala had won the last election?
100% I do think we’d be at war with Iran under Harris. The war was launched at Netenyahu’s demand and Biden’s white house had “no limits” when it came to Israel. One weapon system being delayed for a few days and some propoganda vibes is what you lot base your entire argument on. Biden gave Israel anything and everything it wanted, and Harris is married to a frothing zionist, and he and his brother ran her campaign. To suggest Harris would have been better or stronger is pure fantasy.
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No Limits: The Biden Administration’s Support for Israel’s War on Gaza [onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/waf2.70009]
Why is Biden/Harris’s stand on this matter ok with you? Why do you draw the line specifically at Iran war? Is it because it raised your gas prices, but you dont give a crap about what else Israel is doing with US taxpayer money?
Democrats are far from perfect
Your daily reminder that BlueMaga liberals don’t consider non-westeners to be human, because that’s the only way you can describe active genocide as “not perfect”
mlgHe is literally the grand exception, are you dumb?
Half the DNC refused to support him during the election despite being the obvious populist because he was too socialist.
The only other candidate I can name is Bernie because I don’t even think AOC falls into this category because she has to play compromise in congress.
Are russians in the room right now? Your cognitive dissonance got triggered as fuck. BTW DSA are gatekeeping liberals that will also fight the working class in favor of capitalism
Ok, I will abstain and allow the mass murdering child rapists to run the country instead!
For real. The delusion that one can fully mobilize a political spectrum for an offering, like socialism, that is unavailable is always funny to me. Describe your steps. What steps should we follow to exhume ourselves from this hole without immediately rolling into an even deeper one?
Simple, step one is regaining control of Congress this November.
Literally nothing will get better if Republicans continue to control Congress.
Step two is uncapping the House. There are already members of Congress with bills ready to go that would do just that.
Those two items would fix about 75% of America’s problems.
The former is plausible but the latter’s not happening any time soon. If major structural change of that sort occurs, I will happily eat my shoe. Agreed, otherwise
The DNC has shown time and again they will do nothing to roll back republican actions. Their ratchet effect doesnt allow for it. California has a bulletproof democrat supermajority and they cant get progressive legislation passed either, why should anyone believe more democrats at the federal level would be any different?
So your plan for change is to do nothing and hope, or worse, keep Republicans in power so that they can actively make things worse. Sure.
It’s not me that’s forcing the DNC to utilize their ratchet effect to prevent Republican actions from ever slipping back. They are the ones that are allowing it to keep getting worse.
So your plan for change is to do nothing and hope
Your plan of change is to do nothing and yell at anyone who wants to do anything.
Simple, step one is regaining control of Congress this November.
We’ll see if that happens or if the party keeps doing everything it can to sabotage progressive candidates.
That what liberals did by allowing a Trump win the first and second time.
Right, because Biden did so much on those fronts. And because the dem platform plainly states they will take action on those things. Right?
Biden supported raping people with dogs
And you and every other centrist prefer a child rapist over letting people have the choice to vote for someone who might tell netanyahu no.
Your daily reminder that BlueMaga liberals don’t consider foreigners human
Your account is 8 months old and 100% of your comments and posts are political and incendiary.
What you call incendiary is stuff you dont want to hear because it triggers an uncomfortable response in your head. If you cant read this isnt a liberal space, we dont support liberals or the oligarchy they protect
I just think you’re a troll since your identity is this single subject matter and tone.
Still getting triggered by things you don’t want to hear?
Same Conservative troll tactic that got Trump elected. You even use their writing style “triggered”.
Yes, everyone to your left is a conservative.
It’s a two party system in the US. If Democrats don’t represent your views, you primary them out.
If Democrats don’t represent your views, you primary them out.
In those primaries that they don’t run honestly when they run them at all.
democrats is what got trump elected
While I won’t argue that this has often been the function of the Democratic Party, and I have no doubt that it is a priority of the current party leadership, it is not an inherent function of the party. With our current electoral system, it is inevitable that our politics will be dominated by two parties. Republicans are the worse choice of the two on literally every single issue, including being less open than Democrats to changes to the electoral system itself. The solution, as leftists, is not to abandon the Democratic Party, but rather to take it over from within and elect party leadership focused on real change and not upholding the status quo. This approach is much more feasible and potentially much faster than trying to build a new party from the ground up, and much less destructive and painful for the people than violent revolution and the civil war that would likely ensue.
LemmyFeedHow do we the people create any true influence over the DNC? Aren’t they like the final approver for a democratic presidential candidate? And the DNC board isn’t elected by the people as far as I know. How could we ever have a true leftist democratic party if the DNC is running things?
We’ve had good candidates for decades. The party’s attempts to kill their campaigns are sometimes unsuccessful.
They argued, and won in court, that they are a private corporation and voters are not entitled to fair elections and they are under no obligation to listen to the will of the voters regarding the candidates they select to win the nomination of their party
By voting blue only if the candidate is a genocidal piece of shit, and opposing any progressive candidate.
Which is the only thing “vote blue no matter who” has ever meant.
We can get a lot of the way there by not rubber stamping their bad candidates. They need to know that if they play chicken with the voters we wont blink-- but we always have in the past. We’ll let the republicans drive this country right into the gutter if the DNC doesnt actually court our vote and just does whatever the rich donors and AIPAC want. The centrist voters would rather roll over and say they were powerless to influence the DNC, and vote for whatever trashy candidate the DNC sleezes into place. Theres nothing down that road. It’l be a painful fight and we’ll take a lot of lumps letting republicans win if the DNC effs with us, but its the only strategy we realistically have.
Anyone paying attention to political history in the US knows it is an inherent function of the party. Liberals have always been the gatekeepers of capital, always placing a firewall between the left and structural change.
That’s how they passed the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, huh? By stopping structural change
They sure as shit weren’t passed by mindless loyalty to the Democratic party
And I thought that coasting on the 15 year old ACA was a stretch. The party is not the party of LBJ any longer. It’s the party of Netanyahu.
davelThose weren’t passed by voting Blue no matter who, but by organizing, unionizing, striking, protesting, and threatening revolt.
Power concedes nothing without a demand. If you don’t threaten politicians’ careers, they will ignore your pleas.
Unless of course you have the capital to buy favor, which capitalists have and do.
Schoolhouse Rock and The West Wing have endumbened us all.
While I won’t argue that this has often been the role of the Democratic Party, and I have no doubt that it is a priority of the current party leadership, it is not an inherent function of the party.
The purpose of a system is what it does.
Oh, they’ve made that clear.
Courtney (she/her/they) My spouse is watching The Good Place, and just got to the end of season 3. There’s a scene where one character is explaining to a council of people from heaven that life is so complex nowadays that nobody can get into heaven, and for the last 500 years not a single person can get into heaven.
The council then says they’re going to spend 400 years forming a committee, and then that committee will spend 1000 years forming its own investigative committee to make sure there’s no conflict of interest, THEN they’ll investigate the system to see if there’s a problem.
The first character then exclaims that I those 1400 years before the investigation even starts people will still be going to hell regardless of how good they tried to be.
The committee then states they are “deeply concerned” by that, which got me to start cackling.
The committee sums up my view of democrats.
Even if they are concerned by the daily atrocities and banality of evil, they’re too concerned about doing things “by the book” and too concerned with the status quo changing that they are basically doing nothing. They might think they’re acting swiftly, but the whole time all the people suffering are continuing to suffer.
Even if they are concerned by the daily atrocities and banality of evil
You must not be American. Right now all branches of the Federal Government and the majority of states’ governments are Republican. Democrats have absolutely no power to do anything but talk.
The US isn’t a European style parliament where minority parties have some power.
I am American, and i am getting very tired of hearing “they CAN’T do things because they have to play by the rules!”