I am really starting to loathe the “sovereignty” framing of open source sustainability, or data privacy, or whatever. It would be good to have a better tech community less beholden to the interests of multinational corporations, more globally distributed, etc, but when you have a problem and you think “I know what would make this better. Intense German, French, and English nationalism” now you have like… at least five problems

@glyph

People in Europe worried about digital sovereignty aren't acting because their goal is open source sustainability. They don't want foreign interests to have the ability to snoop or switch off critical parts of their infrastructure when political winds change. It's as simple as that.

@mackaj @glyph autonomy and sovereignty are not the same.

you can have autonomy over yourself, your devices and the relationships you have with others.

you can only have sovereignty about other people. it's about power, not freedom. and power is exactly the problem here.

i did a longer writeup about that here: https://chaos.social/@sofia/115831611054633916

@sofia @glyph

I wasn't talking about autonomy though. I suppose if you swap "foreign interests" with "(all) government", then what I wrote would apply. But that wasn't the thrust of my post.

@mackaj @glyph well if there's different sovereigns squabbling about who gets to rule us, i don't think any of them deserves that we just let them. at best we can play them out against each other to hold each other in check or something.