The fight about Trump's name on the Kennedy center bores me to death. Seems like so much of the time of 'our' courts is taken up with rich people in a slap fight with each other. Defamation lawsuits, this name thing. (There are people in jail waiting months for a hearing...)

But what I don't get is why the court deciding that the name must come down is an order being followed by ... who? Trump's people at the center?

It's very funny that it is covered up.

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But, to the point of force, right down to the "and then they would arrest you" can someone explain *why* the name came down? Why doesn't Trump just ignore the court?

The court orders the name must come down. Great. Very funny.

But why listen. Why don't we get "oh OK I'll take it down" but then nothing happens?

How does the power flow?

That seems a little important to me maybe.

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@futurebird I agree that this is an important question - because yes, if he could just do his usual "fuck you, try to stop me!" thing, he would have, which implies that he doesn't have the power to resist this court order.

- whic obviously begs the question: Where *does* his actual power end? Since lawsuits etc. keep stopping his initiatives, he's certainly not as powerful as he thinks & opposition should be delineating those borders & then hammering on them.

@jwcph

A lot of people are despondent. Saying things like "he will cancel the election"

How exactly? Will he put a gun to Gov. Hochul of NY's head? (and at least 20 other governors?)

"he will do marshal law"

They tried that in MN. They don't have the man power to do it nationwide. They don't even have enough to take NYC, that's why ICE has not cracked down here like in MN.

Middle class people throwing fits works.

@jwcph

I don't like it when people are despondent and defeated since that's the ONLY way that these clowns win in the long term. If we just give up and believe that an election could be canceled. Or stay in our houses if ICE shows up and tries to shut down every street.

MN saved us all really. It's an illustration of the limits.

@futurebird @jwcph

I forget who keeps pointing this out--Thom Hartmann? Paul Krugman? Whoever, it's true that a stolen election needs to be plausible. Bush2 could only steal his election because it was actually close (after millions of people were disenfranchised in the red states, of course). This one won't be close by any measure. Flagrantly stealing it might be enough to rouse the white middle class from its privileged slumber.

@Uair @jwcph

I've been putting up signs in the park that say "Pollinator Sanctuary Do Not Mow" in a small ragged area of my mostly ignored inner city park. It's working. If there are a lot of people who really love the idea of the wildflowers being mowed someone might find out that the signs aren't real. But I can do it because I care the most about this issue, (and I want to think because I'm right about it being better for the park.)

This is how a lot of power works.

@futurebird @Uair @jwcph I'm reminded of that guy who got annoyed by a missing freeway navigation sign (that should have been there per the DOT's own rules) and couldn't get through to the right people to fix it "legally", so he went out of his way to make a perfect imitation sign to all the relevant codes, don some hi-viz, and climb up on the thing to install it in the middle of the day. Apparently everyone at the DOT thought some other department had done it, because it was a perfectly compliant sign that should have been there anyways.

Cut to 10 years later, after he's published the article on it (after the statute of limitations expired, of course) and someone grabs a photo of them taking the sign down. Everyone panics a bit until they put out a press release saying "relax, we're just putting a new one up as part of the standard signage maintenance cycle."