The fight about Trump's name on the Kennedy center bores me to death. Seems like so much of the time of 'our' courts is taken up with rich people in a slap fight with each other. Defamation lawsuits, this name thing. (There are people in jail waiting months for a hearing...)

But what I don't get is why the court deciding that the name must come down is an order being followed by ... who? Trump's people at the center?

It's very funny that it is covered up.

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But, to the point of force, right down to the "and then they would arrest you" can someone explain *why* the name came down? Why doesn't Trump just ignore the court?

The court orders the name must come down. Great. Very funny.

But why listen. Why don't we get "oh OK I'll take it down" but then nothing happens?

How does the power flow?

That seems a little important to me maybe.

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@futurebird I agree that this is an important question - because yes, if he could just do his usual "fuck you, try to stop me!" thing, he would have, which implies that he doesn't have the power to resist this court order.

- whic obviously begs the question: Where *does* his actual power end? Since lawsuits etc. keep stopping his initiatives, he's certainly not as powerful as he thinks & opposition should be delineating those borders & then hammering on them.

@jwcph

A lot of people are despondent. Saying things like "he will cancel the election"

How exactly? Will he put a gun to Gov. Hochul of NY's head? (and at least 20 other governors?)

"he will do marshal law"

They tried that in MN. They don't have the man power to do it nationwide. They don't even have enough to take NYC, that's why ICE has not cracked down here like in MN.

Middle class people throwing fits works.

@jwcph

I don't like it when people are despondent and defeated since that's the ONLY way that these clowns win in the long term. If we just give up and believe that an election could be canceled. Or stay in our houses if ICE shows up and tries to shut down every street.

MN saved us all really. It's an illustration of the limits.

@futurebird @jwcph

I forget who keeps pointing this out--Thom Hartmann? Paul Krugman? Whoever, it's true that a stolen election needs to be plausible. Bush2 could only steal his election because it was actually close (after millions of people were disenfranchised in the red states, of course). This one won't be close by any measure. Flagrantly stealing it might be enough to rouse the white middle class from its privileged slumber.

@Uair @jwcph

I've been putting up signs in the park that say "Pollinator Sanctuary Do Not Mow" in a small ragged area of my mostly ignored inner city park. It's working. If there are a lot of people who really love the idea of the wildflowers being mowed someone might find out that the signs aren't real. But I can do it because I care the most about this issue, (and I want to think because I'm right about it being better for the park.)

This is how a lot of power works.

@Uair @jwcph

The longer the signs stay up the more real they become.

Maybe in twenty years a "Pollinator Sanctuary" will be a real thing. But I'm operating in a vacuum of power and concern. I'm the most active force in this zone, so I can change the rules.

I could have written a proposal to the city and tried to set this up from the other direction. But then the grass would be mowed right now and I'd still be waiting.

@futurebird

It's easier to get forgiveness than permission.

Source of quote:

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2018/06/19/forgive/

Quote Origin: It’s Easier To Ask Forgiveness Than To Get Permission – Quote Investigator®

@Uair

The fascists have an instinct for this. But I think it's something that some of us fighting them need to teach ourselves and teach each other.

Rules and systems are created by the people that follow them. An election happens because people show up to vote and expect their votes to be counted. To stop the election you'd need to stop all of those people from doing that. Physically stop. It would be very messy and hard.

@Uair

Apple and Google did not need to change it to "The Gulf of America" they could have just said "oh OK I understand it's called that now" and done nothing.

But they wanted to earn favor instead and thought the public would care less than the government.

Just don't listen. Are you in their army? Do you take their orders? Do you shine their boots?

@futurebird

I like that you put up the signs... because by the time someone figures out that they were not put there by any government agency and they get removed and the area gets mowed, plenty of people will have found the pollinator sanctuary delightful and beautiful and will complain about its removal without you having to canvass or collect signatures or anything.