More generally, the whole "the nominal left wing turned out to be centrist, by which I mean professional appeasers who keep chasing the right off the cliff, so instead of voting for anyone actually on the left, let's just vote for the fascists directly and cut out the middle man" pattern is so completely familiar at this point, but no less frustrating and infuriating for how often it occurs.

@xgranade electorates the world over have been screaming “somebody fucking DO something!!!” about our collective problems for decades now and have become catastrophically less discerning about what exactly “something” should be the whole time. The trump/mamdani or trump/AOC voter being the archetypical example now

@glyph It's just so wild to me. The "something" feels so much more critical now than ever, I definitely understand what you're saying and observe it myself, but I still find it very difficult to empathize with that mindset.

@glyph To the ukpol example, Starmer is an absolute disaster who is *somehow* to the right of the Conservatives on trans rights, but how does giving Nigel motherfucking Farage another whack at power help with that at all?