Tuta๐ข๐จ If you use Office 2019 on Mac โ ONE MONTH FROM TODAY, Microsoft is DISABLING it.
Microsoft forces you to purchase office 2024 or Microsoft 365 if you want to continue editing docs but YOU MUST NOT.
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โAll your Office 2019 apps will continue to function,โ is what Microsoft promised in 2023 when it announced the end of support.
THEN, last month it quietly updated that support note & removed saying that apps would continue to function, instead, it replaced it with:
"Rest assured that all your Office 2019 apps wonโt lose any data.โ
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Do yourself a favor & do not purchase another Microsoft license (only valid for 5 years) โ it's time to break away from BIG TECH.
Switch to better alternatives:
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Libre office
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Euro Office
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timWie kann ich Euro-Office auf einem Desktop-Computer nutzen? Ich finde keinen Weg eine Installation auรerhalb eines Servers vorzunehmen.
alexraffa 
@timbun @Tutanota
As a locally installed office suite consider LibreOffice, the true open source office suite. https://de.libreoffice.org/
As a locally installed office suite consider LibreOffice, the true open source office suite. https://de.libreoffice.org/
zbrown@alexraffa @timbun @Tutanota also โthe true European office suiteโ is that's a thing one cares about
M Schommer ๐ณ๏ธโ๐
Pierre Pebble@Tutanota Libre Office is awesome ๐
The_Universality@Tutanota I know that OnlyOffice made some shitstorm, but it shouldn't be omitted. For those who are used to Microslop "365" office, OnlyOffice is easy to begin with as it copies its interface.
@The_Universality @Tutanota
Also uses Microsoft file formats, perpetuating the lock-in due to the proprietary formats.
Only using an open file format standard like ODF Open Document Format, we can own our documents!
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/author/italovignoli/
Also uses Microsoft file formats, perpetuating the lock-in due to the proprietary formats.
Only using an open file format standard like ODF Open Document Format, we can own our documents!
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/author/italovignoli/
@alexraffa @Tutanota Ypu're right. I forgot about the default being doc_ instead of od_.
Wasn't there a setting to overwrite that, tho?
(I realize that most won't bother to change it tho.)
Okuna@Okuna @The_Universality @Tutanota
As far as we know, yes. This makes Euro-office a Ms tool in keeping users "slaves" to a proprietary ecosystem
As far as we know, yes. This makes Euro-office a Ms tool in keeping users "slaves" to a proprietary ecosystem
@Okuna @The_Universality @Tutanota
Euro-Office has great potential, by adopting ODF as the native file format it would serve all stated objectives!
Euro-Office has great potential, by adopting ODF as the native file format it would serve all stated objectives!
@alexraffa @The_Universality @Tutanota only web based.
The software includes web-based applications designed for document creation, editing, and collaborative work.[
Gerard Cunningham โ๏ธ@Okuna @alexraffa @The_Universality @Tutanota
They're partners in the EuroOffice project
https://www.neowin.net/news/tuta-has-joined-euro-office-and-will-now-contribute-to-its-codebase/
Stefan 'lerothas' D. 
@Okuna
It is for now, because the base - OnlyOffice - lacks good ODF support. But nextcloud is working on getting it good and making ODF the default.
Nick from The Linux Experiment had a good view on it in his daily patron news: the most used format is ooxml from M$ and M$ office lacks ODF support. So you will not get users if you don't support ooxml. If Euro office is widely spread, you can easily switch to ODF, because most users have a competent editor for that.
I don't know, if that is their thinking, but it's an interesting approach.
Timo P.@alexraffa @The_Universality @Tutanota generally open formats would be amazing, but a) they still render differently in various tools that claim to fully support the standard and b) in the real world unfortunately there are still multiple reasons one needs to work with MS formats.
Since one Germany region is aiming to switch or fully switching already to OD_ formats, there might be hope for it to become unified across all office suits.
@The_Universality @alexraffa @Tutanota the difference is: as a state you can set standards. As a small business collaborating with lots of corporations you have to follow the standards set by the market. And that standard currently is MS file formats. At least thatโs what we experienced first hand.
Murray ๐ช๐บ 
@tdpsk
In the UK the government has embraced Open Standards and chosen ODF 1.2 for use across government. People doing business with government are supposed to be using this. It should, but in practice doesn't, mean that the larger companies should be demanding sub contractors are using ODF as well.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/using-open-document-formats-odf-in-your-organisation
@The_Universality @alexraffa @Tutanota
In the UK the government has embraced Open Standards and chosen ODF 1.2 for use across government. People doing business with government are supposed to be using this. It should, but in practice doesn't, mean that the larger companies should be demanding sub contractors are using ODF as well.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/using-open-document-formats-odf-in-your-organisation
@The_Universality @alexraffa @Tutanota
@tdpsk @The_Universality @Tutanota
I experienced first hand docx files that renders differently across word 365 and word 2019...
I experienced first hand docx files that renders differently across word 365 and word 2019...
Erotic Mythology ๐@tdpsk @alexraffa @The_Universality @Tutanota There is no open source office software that doesn't support Microsoft formats as far as I know.
Libre Office allows you to save and work with DOCX files. I rarely have issues with it, though I will admit that in one case I had a client whose MS Office made my DOCX file created with Libre Office look weird. Normally it's not a big issue for me because I do the formatting (OD -> ePub) on my own device but this client wanted full formatting control.
Libre Office allows you to save and work with DOCX files. I rarely have issues with it, though I will admit that in one case I had a client whose MS Office made my DOCX file created with Libre Office look weird. Normally it's not a big issue for me because I do the formatting (OD -> ePub) on my own device but this client wanted full formatting control.
@AimeeMaroux @alexraffa @The_Universality @Tutanota Iโm sorry but I have to disagree - we exchange a lot of DOCX files and the formatting of headers, footers, images and tables is very inconsistent between Word and FOSS tools, including LibreOffice.
@tdpsk
Is this a problem of the software or because documents have been produced using manual formatting rather than styles?
@AimeeMaroux @alexraffa @The_Universality @Tutanota
Is this a problem of the software or because documents have been produced using manual formatting rather than styles?
@AimeeMaroux @alexraffa @The_Universality @Tutanota
@MurrayWindripper @AimeeMaroux @alexraffa @The_Universality @Tutanota nope these are basic things - for example an image in the header anchored at 1cm/1cm from the top left document edge renders differently across tools. Stuff like that should be open to interpretation, right?
@alexraffa @The_Universality @Tutanota Tell this to schools and universities who educate our kids using word.
^. .^ Paul Wilde 
@The_Universality @Tutanota only office is included within Euro office.
Euro office has the benefit of actually having a functional license
Euro office has the benefit of actually having a functional license
kym ๐๐@Tutanota thanks!! do you happen to have recs for password managers? onepassword has ai pollution and bitwarden is doing god knows what ๐
Gregiboy@Gregiboy thanks! never heard of it before, will check it out.
2something@kym @Tutanota
I made a big comparison of password managers last year when I switched from Bitwarden to Keepass.
RE: https://transfem.social/notes/aa2w3yuz3tfz0hdp
I made a big comparison of password managers last year when I switched from Bitwarden to Keepass.
RE: https://transfem.social/notes/aa2w3yuz3tfz0hdp
@2something @Tutanota oooh! thank you!!
Diabolic Preacher@2something
Proton Pass paid version is too convenient and checks all required features boxes for me.
I can sign up to a service either on phone or desktop and I get to generate a custom email ID as well as a long password or passphrase keeping every site account as unique as possible. The sync is obviously quick enough. Logging on the other device including autofilling (I do prefer click to fill but that click is right in the text input field) login credentials and 2fa code is quite straightforward. Especially also useful on the phone with apps where the stored data is encrypted and because of proton pass I get to keep a long password because it can autofill in apps as well.
I use keepassdx to store proton login.
The risks of convenience are not lost on me.
@Tutanota @kym
Proton Pass paid version is too convenient and checks all required features boxes for me.
I can sign up to a service either on phone or desktop and I get to generate a custom email ID as well as a long password or passphrase keeping every site account as unique as possible. The sync is obviously quick enough. Logging on the other device including autofilling (I do prefer click to fill but that click is right in the text input field) login credentials and 2fa code is quite straightforward. Especially also useful on the phone with apps where the stored data is encrypted and because of proton pass I get to keep a long password because it can autofill in apps as well.
I use keepassdx to store proton login.
The risks of convenience are not lost on me.
@Tutanota @kym
Shaun Chamberlin@Tutanota
For anyone who hasn't tried it, the switch from Word to LibreOffice is so easy and smooth ๐๐ผ
And it's free, forever.
๐จ๐ฆWeird Foodie๐ด๓ ฃ๓ ก๓ ก๓ ข๓ ฟ@Tutanota I was using LibreOffice when I was proofreading a community newspaper, since the files were in MS Word format. I sent the fixed versions back. I got an email one day from the editor of the newspaper asking how I could keep all the formatting of the .DOC files while being smaller in size, byte-wise. He was surprised at what I was using.
I still use LibreOffice for one thing and another. A fine piece of software.
Baharul Islam@Tutanota @libreoffice This is one of the finest piece. Sure it takes some learning for beginners & needs a few fine-tuning. The Hybrid PDF feature is one of the best features.