Natanox 🇺🇦🇵🇸I'm trying #Gnome again guys, put up the defences! Because Nat *immediately* ran into issues! 
(this will be a thread of unknown length, probably)
1.
I have two screens, my main one with HDR and a second one without.
There's only one slider for the main one. No way for me to control the second one (not a hardware issue, KDE was able to).
2.
My system is set to German language. For some reason in Gnome it's now a mix between English and German, even within a single program.
My system is set to German language. For some reason in Gnome it's now a mix between English and German, even within a single program.
3.
Still no proper support for programs meant to be controlled via tray icon. Have to immediately resort to extensions for basic functionality, which is an unfixed major issue for years now.
4.
Extensions still do not use an API but patch code directly into the shell, which can lead to major instability if you use them or even just run an update. Unfortunately due to reason 3 you're basically forced to.
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Apps in the "background apps" list still don't have their context menu features.
Fabian【ファビアン】🏳️🌈@Natanox background apps are *not* the tray functionality but literally the xdg background portal.
@fabiscafe Right now I'm complaining as a user, not as a dev. This is the only interface allowing me to interact with the background program, and it lacks context menu features. Other background programs are completely invisible to me without extension. That's the default Gnome user experience.
Jeff Fortin T. (風の庭園のNekohayo)@Natanox @fabiscafe Then the app should be fixed to behave properly under GNOME. You should never have to depend on a "tray icon" to show the app.
For what it's worth, I have over 100 desktop apps installed (no jokes) and none of them require a "tray icon" (only 2 of them even offer it as an option at all).
Windows 95 was not the apex of UX design, it's OK to let it go 
That ship sailed 9 years ago: https://blogs.gnome.org/aday/2017/08/31/status-icons-and-gnome/
Status Icons and GNOME
“Status icons” go by a few different names. A lot of people know them by the area where they appear, which gets described as the “system tray” or “notification area”. Whatever you call it, it’s the place where a string of little icons often gets shown, typically by applications that are running in the background....
@nekohayo @fabiscafe That might just be the single most arrogant statement I've ever seen and I'm not even remotely surprised anymore why there are so many people with such a strong opinion about Gnome. It's completely dismissive about the fact you're just one out of many in the same ecosystem of apps, and of backwards compatibility as a concept.
I didn't even needed to do anything to debunk your statement, just boot my laptop. Nextcloud, CachyOS Update Widget and Steam would all be invisible.
@nekohayo @fabiscafe
Just because Gnome said in 2017 something is a thing of the past doesn't mean that's the truth. You're in a shared ecosystem with Apps that may or may not expect this basic feature which is very much alive and well on any desktop including new ones like Cosmic, except Gnome and Pantheon. To blame literally all app developers from present and past for not adhering to Gnome's expectations is audacious at best.
Just because Gnome said in 2017 something is a thing of the past doesn't mean that's the truth. You're in a shared ecosystem with Apps that may or may not expect this basic feature which is very much alive and well on any desktop including new ones like Cosmic, except Gnome and Pantheon. To blame literally all app developers from present and past for not adhering to Gnome's expectations is audacious at best.
#elementaryOS and #GNOME devs are not in the business of forever supporting every conceivable MS Windows feature by default.
As there is a sandboxing-compatible (and Wayland-compatible) FreeDesktop API for background apps (tray icons or not) nowadays, apps that do not use it yet need to get on with the program.
I went ahead and reported https://github.com/nextcloud/desktop/issues/10162 for your NextCloud app case (I never had to use it, as I use GNOME Online Accounts' built-in NextCloud provider).
Support the background apps portal (`org.freedesktop.portal.Background`) · Issue #10162 · nextcloud/desktop
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jablkoziemne@nekohayo @Natanox @fabiscafe cant we just accept that #desktopenvironment s cant be used interchangeably, and software support is hard given any amount of fragmentation?