Felix Hlatky
After individually meeting @rose.bsky.team in April and @seboslaw in May, it felt great to meet both again with @rude1.blacksky.team at #pubconf2026 This is still a competitive situation. Our protocols and the incentives they create matter. Our backgrounds influence what we build. Our financing models bind and enable us. But I felt all of us belonging to "Team Open" very strongly in Amsterdam. I am excited to see where this will bring us and what we can do together.
Jun 7 at 4:22pmWeb
Show threadwilliam ⁂ maggos22h ago

@mellifluousbox @rose.bsky.team @seboslaw @rude1.blacksky.team

for now, like every VC funded startup. when pushed, if they stick to their "Team Open" principles, they won't be working there any more. you really should be talking to the owners but afaik, that's not public.

you're being very kind here.

Show threadSebastian22h ago
@mellifluousbox @rose.bsky.team @rude1.blacksky.team I feel the same way @mellifluousbox! Good things will come.
Show threadJon9h ago

Great to hear … very exciting all around!

@seboslaw @mellifluousbox @rose.bsky.team @rude1.blacksky.team

Show threadToni16h ago
@mellifluousbox @rose.bsky.team @seboslaw @rude1.blacksky.team no entiendo por que se mezclan con BSKY.
Show threadtoothpaste_sandwich15h ago
@mellifluousbox @rose.bsky.team @seboslaw @rude1.blacksky.team I'm not convinced corporate platforms like Eurosky and Bluesky are a good thing. Why not just use ActivityPub? I think the answer is "money", and I don't like that.
Show threadSebastian9h ago
@toothpaste_sandwich @mellifluousbox @rose.bsky.team @rude1.blacksky.team Eurosky is a non-profit
Show threadEli Mallon9h ago
Corporate? Eurosky is a project of the Modal Foundation. Me and others choose to build on atproto because of account portability — I don’t want my online identity to be tied to my Mastodon host forever!
Show threadtoothpaste_sandwich5h ago

@iame.li @mellifluousbox @rose.bsky.team @seboslaw @rude1.blacksky.team Portability? It's almost impossible to set up a relay for atproto, and it's impossible for an individual to do so. And even if you do, you're completely beholden to the corporate Bluesky protocol: https://social.growyourown.services/@FediTips/113896029909649321

Sure, moving accounts may not be completely flawless yet on Mastodon, but at least you're not tied to your Bluesky relay forever! Also, it's the Fediverse, you don't have to use Mastodon. I understand moving accounts is much easier on Sharkey, for instance.

Fedi.Tips 🏳️‍🌈 🏳️‍⚧️ (@[email protected])

Attached: 1 image I've had a lot of people ask how BlueSky compares to Mastodon and the Fediverse. I've tried to make the answer as simple and easy to understand as possible: 🦋 BlueSky is designed to give corporations and wealthy people full control of the network. All of its traffic has to flow through expensive-to-run corporate relays. :Fediverse: The Fediverse is designed to give ordinary people control of the network. All of its traffic flows directly from one cheap-to-run server to another. #FediTips

social.growyourown.services
Show threadSebastian5h ago
@toothpaste_sandwich @iame.li @mellifluousbox @rose.bsky.team @rude1.blacksky.team A relay can be run on a raspberry pi and there are already multiple ones in action around the globe apart from the bsky one. In fact, Eurosky is running one.
If you want to run your own: https://bsky.app/profile/bad-example.com/post/3mfkrfvy3ok2u
fig (aka:[phil]) (@bad-example.com)

full-network atproto relay on a $4.20/mo VPS demo.tiny.hose.cam still getting connected to PDSs, we'll see how long it survives... https://demo.tiny.hose.cam/

Bluesky Social
Show threadikuturso 🇪🇺3h ago
@toothpaste_sandwich it's the appview that is very difficult now, they changed the architecture a bit. That said, when pro-BS people talk about how easy either one is there's tons of caveats they never mention. You can certainly get a cheap relay and maybe even an appview set up but the real questions are how independent that really makes you and how feasible that would be if the protocol actually became popular and you'd need to do it with hundreds of millions of users instead.
Show threadikuturso 🇪🇺3h ago
@toothpaste_sandwich it sometimes really feels like intentional obfuscation... push a very convoluted architecture that lets you push all sorts of claims about decentralization as long as you conveniently ignore a few things...
Show threadSebastian1h ago
@ikuturso @toothpaste_sandwich how easy is it to run a Mastodon instance that has 40mio users? Because that's the comparison you need to make if you're honest. Otherwise it's Apples vs Oranges.
Show threadtoothpaste_sandwich1h ago

@iame.li @mellifluousbox @rose.bsky.team @seboslaw @rude1.blacksky.team I think a more relevant question is how easy it is to run a Bluesky instance that has only one or a few users.

Thanks, @ikuturso, I haven't kept up-to-date with atproto. But I think it's still safe to say the Fediverse and ActivityPub are the more open options, and definitely less reliant on American big tech.

That said, I try not to be too set it my ways, so I'm open for evidence suggesting something else.