@randulo @zzt

No, I don't think AI would be cool then, there are still so many issues that isn't helped by the averageing out-o-meter, I'd much rather read something where I see someone tried, broken norwegian that I can puzzle out because I see what the person tried to do I'm okay with puzzling out and some times help someone get better if they want to, but someone just putting something into the "good enough for me" box and just leaving me hanging don't deserve to get any cookies for trying, I'd much rather have to puzzle out the meaning of a french sentence, and believe me I utterly suck at french than having to read it machine translated, at least if there is something wrong in how I did it it's a learning moment, and I can get better at something, even though it's not something I was really prepared to get better at that day.

Of course the anglos aren't really going to care, because they are never going to have to use the result, don't have to suffer from not having the neuances there, aren't going to notice the context that is going missing. There are whole conversations that I have had that I've put to a translator for fun and 70% of what is going through it makes no sense any more, and that's not something that is going to be solved by "I'm not sure but" almost all LLM chatbots has the "Always check the result, never use the result without verifying" thing under it, and we all know how much people pay attention to that.

@randulo @zzt

Sorry, but I'm unable to parse this sentence:

I am not ok with shoving AI everywhere and in everything, but I find some of it useful in day to day trivial tasks that don't reveal much.

@sotolf @zzt Is your niece available?

I'm saying I don't hate AI itself, just the fact that we are fed it very much like geese are fed to make foie gras. I think the result is similar, too.

And that I use it for some simple tasks that do not reveal bodily illness or existential issues.

@randulo @zzt

Sorry, she's only 2 and bearly speaks norwegian :p

So you have no issue with the plagiarism, the excessive resource use, piracy or anything? I don't want even less effort spent on things that actually matter to me, like my native tongue, which are spoken by probably fewer people that live in Paris, and it's still one of the less endangered langauges around. Personally I don't think outsourcing thinking ever was a good idea, so much context and unsaid knowledge that people "just know" are getting lost for something that is not really worth consuming in any way.

@sotolf @zzt Without entering into a long back and forth, I don't think asking how to say a word in French uses a whole city's water, replaces anyone's job, or plagarizes.

As we were discussing translation, I was thinking about it today. We worked with specialized translators in our business a few years ago. Translators mostly will NOT be replaced by AI, as it will never be good enough for serious translation, i.e., perfectly conveying human thoughts.

@randulo @zzt

If you're not up to a back and forth, I will give you a tip to something I've used for so long, that's really good and quick, and cost next to no resources, it's called "a dictionary" and it's magical, it has so many cool words in there, often with an etymology and pronounciation guide and everything :)