Goddess of Petty GrievancesPlease don’t use AI slop for your DIY blogs; no one will trust you
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Bernie the Wordsmith@farah Wait really? They do that?
shom@berniethewordsmith @farah yes, I find it absolutely baffling too!
La Guiri@berniethewordsmith and gardening webs. They only want filler and clicks. @farah
Petra van Cronenburg@berniethewordsmith They even fake books. One of our renowned regional DIY book publishers gave up because they couldn't make a living anymore against all the slop.
There were already big media articles about that problem.
Davide_Sandini@farah
If you remove the words " for your DIY blogs" the statement get a more general and significative meaning....
If you remove the words " for your DIY blogs" the statement get a more general and significative meaning....
Dave Alvarado@Davide_Sandini I think you meant "significant". Otherwise, you should probably specify what it signifies.
Sorry @dave
I' m not a native english speaker, I could had used the wrong term, but I cannot find on line the difference between the two words. Hope it can be comprehensible.
I' m not a native english speaker, I could had used the wrong term, but I cannot find on line the difference between the two words. Hope it can be comprehensible.
@farah ... it's already everywhere, not only in #DIY ... The worst are fake DIY books made completely with LLMs and GPTs, including the photos.
More and more important are human recommendations for purely human-made websites, #artists, and #crafters!
And for those using AI, I have a blockfinger. Or a badlist.
^. .^ Paul Wilde 
@farah to be honest "Please don't use AI slop, no one will trust you" is equally accurate.
Chris Mackay 🇨🇦@farah Counter-point: seeing AI slop imagery saves me the time it might otherwise take to read it.
John Tinker@farah
This seems like a fun attitude to hold, and I pledge not to use AI slop in my DIY blogs. Cross my heart.
This "AI slop", though, what is it, exactly. I see it a lot, and everyone seems to know what it is, but not me.
I have interacted quite a bit with various chatbots, and just do not see slop.
Why is that? Is it my eyes? Is it my cognition, or lack thereof?
Or, could it be that 50 years of paying attention to NLP (natural language processing) and cybernetics generally, has left me with no apparent misunderstandings concerning what LLMs are.
Add to that an interest in English (I look words up) has left me with linguistic skills that allow me to form queries, prompts, to the chatbot which actually return what I am expecting.
And it is not slop. So what I am to do with this fact?
I post to my DIY bogs at https://chatbotics.org and https://johntinker.substack.com
Beyond that, I maintain web archives focused on genocide and fascism, but touching on many other topics as well, at https://jftf.org/web_archive
I'm thinking maybe that "slop" itself might mean language that doesn't mean much, actually, once you look at it up close. Does that seem about right?
@johntinker
Hi
Two things leave me impressed of your post:
One, you form queries for the chatbots, and you think to be able to evaluate the result: why are you wasting energy, resources and time to have an output that you already own?
Or are you convinced to know the answer where in fact you don' t know?
Second, fascists and genociders are selling and using AI, what outcome you are expecting from an oppression tool?
@farah
Hi
Two things leave me impressed of your post:
One, you form queries for the chatbots, and you think to be able to evaluate the result: why are you wasting energy, resources and time to have an output that you already own?
Or are you convinced to know the answer where in fact you don' t know?
Second, fascists and genociders are selling and using AI, what outcome you are expecting from an oppression tool?
@farah
@Davide_Sandini @farah
The brief answer is because I am expecting the chatbot to report what has already been said by others, which is what I am looking for. It is the same curiosity that brings people to libraries.
Am I convinced to know the answer where in fact I don't know? I am not asking the chatbot for answers.
I am opposed to all oppression, and am more interested in the oppressors themselves, than in the fact that they use tools. We all use tools, and we all use tools that oppressors use, so that cannot be the determining factor.
I am curious to know what your experience with chatbots has been?
@johntinker @Davide_Sandini Please take me out of conversation tyvm. Have a nice day
@johntinker
All commercial chatbots were "trained" with stolen data, so why are you asking me which experience i have? I think that appropriation or use of stolen properties is illegal in any country (except Israel). Or you think that to speak against theft, homicide, rape you need to be an experienced criminal? It don't need to practice crime to speak against.
All commercial chatbots were "trained" with stolen data, so why are you asking me which experience i have? I think that appropriation or use of stolen properties is illegal in any country (except Israel). Or you think that to speak against theft, homicide, rape you need to be an experienced criminal? It don't need to practice crime to speak against.
@Davide_Sandini
It is good to understand the level at which you intercept the issue. Regarding being trained on stolen material, I am not a lawyer. I also understand that a great deal of computational linguistics uses shared public domain data sets.
A friend loves Jackson Pollack, his work, or the idea of him, or something. She goes to a lecture by one of his assistants, who worked for Pollack in the studio. She informed me that this person had imparted the secret of Pollack's success. Would it be improper of me to share it with you now?
@johntinker
Don't ask to me, ask to Pollack if he agree or not...
Don't ask to me, ask to Pollack if he agree or not...
@Davide_Sandini
Your take on intellectual property is interesting. I am not so much a believer in its sanctity, as I imagine that we all have picked up some of our own genius from others. The ones complaining about plagiarism, in my view, are probably blind to their own "borrowing". What I am seeing is a fight over ownership of modes of expression. There is a new sense that the gravy train has already left the station. Wealth inequality, in my view, is the number one causal factor of our problems, and militarism is our overall number one problem in general.
Your take on intellectual property is interesting. I am not so much a believer in its sanctity, as I imagine that we all have picked up some of our own genius from others. The ones complaining about plagiarism, in my view, are probably blind to their own "borrowing". What I am seeing is a fight over ownership of modes of expression. There is a new sense that the gravy train has already left the station. Wealth inequality, in my view, is the number one causal factor of our problems, and militarism is our overall number one problem in general.
@johntinker
Hi, by the way Amnesty international published a report indicating that LLMs are fundamentally based on data theft and incompatibile with human rights:
https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/pol40/0996/2026/en/
Hi, by the way Amnesty international published a report indicating that LLMs are fundamentally based on data theft and incompatibile with human rights:
https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/pol40/0996/2026/en/
Unlawful by design: Exposing the human rights costs of generative AI - Amnesty International
This briefing examines how standalone generative AI systems, based on unlawful web scraping, are in conflict with international human rights law (IHRL) and standards through their design, development and deployment. While these technologies promise sophisticated automation and efficiency, they rely on data collection and model training practices that abuse privacy rights, enable discrimination, and threaten […]
I will probably quit using commercial chatbots entirely. They are data sucking machines. Altman just announced that they were going to begin building individual data stores for each user, to build a better model of the user. They are hooking everyone up, with them at the controls.
I agree about all of that. I am only interested in what is public domain, the deep culture. The trends of the moment, I can do without.
I think I will be digging into what is happening at https://huggingface.co/
@Davide_Sandini
The AI report is informative. I agree that the human rights angle is the most important. My view is that the relationship between people is the fundamental layer of society, and that must be the foundation of derivative analyses, and this with personhood being real human beings and other sentient creatures. Where there is criminality, I am a firm believer that it be pinned to the human beings involved. In my view we are suffering a severe shortage of actual justice delivered, when it come to the biggest culprits.
The AI report is informative. I agree that the human rights angle is the most important. My view is that the relationship between people is the fundamental layer of society, and that must be the foundation of derivative analyses, and this with personhood being real human beings and other sentient creatures. Where there is criminality, I am a firm believer that it be pinned to the human beings involved. In my view we are suffering a severe shortage of actual justice delivered, when it come to the biggest culprits.