aevakagi seems nice. i'm conflicted between yet another fucking subscription and the obvious rational for it
EDIT: lol i had no idea kagi was cancelled already sorry didn't get the memo
Cassandrich@aeva Just use a custom search URL to get working results rather than paying another bad reseller of Google/Bing results.
See also: https://goblin.technology/@dgold/statuses/01KS27XN21KCBNMPWN93GRQXA8
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[1 media attachment] Lot of Kagi-shilling going on again after the latest nonsense from Google Please remember:- - Kagi requires you to sign in to use it; - So every search can be uniquely linked to your account; - If you pay for that account, this links to you as a real person. - Kagi's HQ is in Palo Alto, California, and is thus subject to US Laws; - This means their logs and records can be expropriated without a warrant by Federal Authorities; - Those authorities are currently under the control of an actual fascist demagogue. - Kagi began life as an AI-First Company. The name is a portmanteau of K and AGI -- Artificial General Intelligence. They are not a credible actor, and they are in no way safe for searching for (e.g.) Reproductive Health Providers.
@aeva They supposedly "buy indexes from Google", whatever that means. My understanding is that they do a little more doctoring of the results than direct resellers like ddg do, but AIUI they are not actually crawling and indexing the web like a real search engine.
Third spruce tree on the leftYeah. DDG etc. are search "brokers" in a way - but they license index/crawled results from Bing etc.
Running the engines to index/crawl _the whole web_ is a real computationally expensive affair. There've been a few attempts at peer-2-peer or indie indexing but its a hard problem to solve so those don't go very far.
meejah@tezoatlipoca @dalias @aeva Can we just go back to "home pages"?
Like, a massive list of "human curated stuff to click on and ctrl-F" would actually be pretty useful with "the state of Things"...
Hrm. I have been writing a tool that manages awesome lists and I didn't realize what they were called.
Here's the demo site: https://lists.awadwatt.com/index.html
Here's the github: https://github.com/tezoatlipoca/GeFeSLE-server#readme
The css is bad but its functional. Idea being lists can be changed, but infrequently; hosting a static html page is lightweight. List change -> update static html.
@tezoatlipoca @meejah @dalias there's a lot of projects on github that are just readme's that are curated lists of projects within a a topic and for some reason they're all called "Awesome <Topic>" e.g. https://github.com/reHackable/awesome-reMarkable
I don't recall ever seeing them outside of github, so idk if it's like, a github thing or something. Mostly I mention it because it's a contemporary thing where people are taking the time to make curated lists for niche topics.
I guess my concern about github is taht like Google docs or whatever, you don't OWN it; so if someone doesn't like your awesome list, it gets taken down.
My project's goal were:
- single binary self-hostable (assuming you can figure out the dns and rev.proxy stuff)
- list name + your host.domain==url of list. persistant
- access granularity to list level; public to private
Github is same on last two, easier on the first; but you have to adhere to someone else's T&Cs.
@tezoatlipoca @meejah @dalias oh yeah it's problematic for sure. I think those lists ended up there because github's search is tragically better for discovery than a real search engine, but I really wish this all were more indie web.
@tezoatlipoca @meejah @dalias we direly need an indie web search engine that can handle more complex queries than marginalia search
@aeva @tezoatlipoca @dalias kagi's "small web" stuff seems good .. But yeah in general I definitely agree.