ArXiv announces a ban on AI content and the responses are hilarious.

> You expect us to actually read the papers we cite?!

yes, lol!

https://www.404media.co/new-arxiv-rules-ai-generated-papers-ban/

@docpop

Is... that reply by Miller serious? Please tell me it wasn't? 😬

@FediThing I think he means it. He certainly is doubling down on X https://x.com/JimDMiller/status/2055277720326529036
James Miller (@JimDMiller) on X

@tdietterich @arxiv So this means you expect every author to check every citation and make sure that every citation is real and accurate? What if it's beyond the ability of one of the authors to verify one of the citations because that citation is in a language he doesn't know or concerns technical

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@docpop @FediThing Well, his point is *slightly* more nuanced in that he's arguing "What if *I* checked the citations I added, but this other guy I co-author with did not on his part of the paper? Why am I responsible?"

To which I reply "sucks to be you, my guy."

@docpop @FediThing
To be clear, this is the same kind of argument as "What if I need to shout the N-word to save a baby from being crushed by a bus?", and the like.

@adriano @docpop @FediThing I think what some people miss, possibly intentionally, is that "responsible" doesn't mean "if your co-author fabricates stuff and lies to you, you will be drummed out of academia even if you had no way of knowing".

It just means that one will be expected to take reasonable steps to avoid such situations, and to remedy them when they emerge.

@chaucerburnt @adriano @docpop @FediThing if you are publishing research isn't reading and understanding the state of the research step 1?
@adriano @docpop @FediThing β€œperhaps you could speak to your co-authors, my guy”

@adriano @docpop @FediThing Depending on what is usual in his academic field, his thoughts are maybe less β€œHow the f is he a professor?!?” outlandish than the Fedi commenters here think.

For papers with lots of authors and quite strict division of labour for different parts of the paper and different sub-groups of authors, I can very well see that it maybe has not been usual up to now to know every other author and double check their work.

Still seems net positive to me to reinforce responsibility for things with your name on it.

@HeptaSean @adriano @docpop @FediThing signing your name on a document is a big deal. I worked in engineering before retiring, and I was asked to fix something that was so screwed up I had to completely redo EVERYTHING, and the designer insisted on something that wasn't a good idea. But he insisted. So I did the work, but I refused to sign my name.
@adriano @docpop @FediThing I mean not just that, you stuck your name on it, you are just as responsible for the whole thing. Credit goes both ways.
@adriano @FediThing @docpop β€œYou co-authored a paper with a bad scientist. Why should we trust your judgment anymore?”