KaligalisHow to sexualize males for a female audience?
iamthetotIt depends on the genre of the game.
Fighting games like Mortal Kombat? Put the men in skimpy outfits that show their muscles like the women.
Survival game? I don’t need to see the characters sexualized while they’re trying to survive a zombie apocalypse. Give me character depth and growth, empathy, and strong story-telling visuals. I’ll fall in love with man or woman that way.
Same way. Hot bods, tight clothes, show plenty of skin.
Says Velma with an oversized sweater, just look at Daphne’s outfit… Like, zoinks, Scoob!
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Pat_RiotTesticle cleavage and beer belly shirts. What’s the slutties hair style a man can have?
Thinning on top with the “monk ring” style cut. Nothing gets the ladies going more.
But serious advice for guys, know when to just shave your head man. People like full heads of hair, people like bald, nobody likes thinning. Make the call and save yourself the embarrassment. Bald is beautiful.
Was it Captain America Winter Soldier where Cap pulled that helicopter back to the roof, and did all that flexing?
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GladaedJust to spell it out: There’s nothing wrong with using “male” and “female” as adjectives (e.g. “male audience” or “female drivers”). The problem arises from using them as a noun (e.g., “females want a man” or “males are more likely”) which is a very reductive way of describing a person. It also evokes the way we refer to animals, which is, again, reductive.
We are more than our respective genders, just as we are more than merely animals.
ElectricAirshipWatch Bridgerton
I’ll cite some examples:
Hades and hades 2 (all the characters) supergiant did it right in both fronts.
Khazan. (protagonist)
Elden Ring. Godfrey/ Hoarah Loux & Radagon. (Crumbling or whatever, I don’t care)
Or give me a guy in full plate with a sexy gait, see: Demon’s Souls Penetrator.
Or without sexy gait. See: DS1 Artorias
I’m sorry I don’t make the rules.
ETA: Halsin! (BG3) how could I forget?
Of.course, plus Geralt knows how to treat a lady. You know what, let’s trow in Eskel as well, for the “rolled up sleeves” people… I see y’all.
CoelacanthI can’t believe you’re into Halsin haha. I don’t know how you manage to make a sex crazed man-bear insufferably boring but by gods, they did it!
(Lol, that’s your objection on this list?)
^True,^ but I’m not exactly going for substance here, and I’m definitely into how Halsin looks (and sounds.)
There’s plenty of well developed characters in BG3 that I’m not really offended by him being bland.
Tbh I’m not really all that into the way he sounds either, although I don’t know how much of that is related to how he’s written and acted. If we’re just talking about the tone of voice I guess it’s okay. But I’ve never really been one to go for the hunks, you know. A swelling bicep is nice and all but doesn’t really move me much.
Now, a lanky tortured poet on the other hand… Something like Finn Andrews is a bit more my speed.
The Veils - "The Letter"
Oh my, how he looks at the camera… you present a strong agument tho I do not need convincing, I’m already here for it. (Also, cool song, I like it)
As an admirer of the physical form it’s hard to not go for the classical examples of beauty in a question about overt sexualization (since op mentioned fan service). I threw in some wild cards in my list, but perhaps I’m just into being approached with murderous intent. XD
If we get a little more cerebral than that, yeah I guess you can talk about some more dimensional archetypes like “tortured poet” (and the like) and still answer the og question. Maybe a more interesting question would be, “how to better sexualize characters in videogames” and drop the gendered part of it. (Tho the female gaze is definitely an interesting topic to discuss, If one thing is true is that we as an audience are more open to variety.)
So hum… You are into the lanky and tortured? Is being a poet also a strong requirement for you?
Oh my, how he looks at the camera… you present a strong agument tho I do not need convincing, I’m already here for it.
Helps that his face isn’t half bad either right but yeah, that gaze is just piercing isn’t it? And the raspy vibrato just gets me too…
(Also, cool song, I like it)
It’s a great band. I’m not even sure The Letter is their best song, it’s just a great video to showcase Finn’s beauty.
Also you gotta be careful saying things like that, you know. I might take it as an opening to send you a more songs I like.
As an admirer of the physical form it’s hard to not go for the classical examples of beauty in a question about overt sexualization (since op mentioned fan service).
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If we get a little more cerebral than that, yeah I guess you can talk about some more dimensional archetypes like “tortured poet” (and the like) and still answer the og question.
You know, it’s my bad actually. I totally ignored the actual topic of the OP to needle you about Halsin and then started talking about my own preferences like a narcissistic asshole. So uhm, whoops?
I do think there is something there for me in the sense that - at least when it comes to men - I am definitely more drawn to archetypes, faces and “presence” (I refuse to call it aura out of principle). So like, I can appreciate some shirtless washboard abs and everything, it’s nice, but it doesn’t necessarily move the needle for me (figuratively and literally).
But again that is only navel gazing my own preferences and not really answering the OPs question at all. Also now that I’m really sitting down and thinking about it I feel like for some reason if we’re talking about the male musculature then sculpted legs are kind of hotter than arms. Like, they go together obviously because if you just have one and not the other then the body will look awkward and disproportionate. But sculpted thighs are kind of hot. Biceps are overrated.
Maybe a more interesting question would be, “how to better sexualize characters in videogames” and drop the gendered part of it. (Tho the female gaze is definitely an interesting topic to discuss, If one thing is true is that we as an audience are more open to variety.)
Yes, this is an interesting topic for sure. I think the agency of the characters in question within the story and their characterization has a huge influence on the way any physical presentation is perceived. Even though sexualisation and objectification are often interlinked, they don’t have to be by nature and I think this is the key. Someone can be an empowered sexual being without being characterised as an object of desire to be claimed by someone else. It’s the difference between Bayonetta and Eve from Stellar Blade.
So hum… You are into the lanky and tortured? Is being a poet also a strong requirement for you?
Hah, I can be flexible. I do like the archetype and all, but as a wise woman in Disco Elysium said: “never trust a poet”.
Also you gotta be careful saying things like that, you know. I might take it as an opening to send you a more songs I like.
It is, so go ahead…I’m curious, and I enjoy passing judgement. I feel the need to reciprocate so I hope you don’t end up regretting it. (what if my taste just sucks?) prepare for some lukewarm takes as well.
And then started talking about my own preferences like a narcissistic asshole. So uhm, whoops?
Sometimes I cringe and regret the dumb throwaway comments I make on this site (like the one you responded to) but this turned out to be a delightful exchange, might be one of my favourites I’ve had with you…so imma ask you to cut it out with that, ok? I’m deeply apreciative of all those thoughts you shared and I’ll just say that indeed biceps are overrated.
And on your closing pargraph, yeah I’m with you 100%, beautifully put. I just saw a video essay the other day that also compared Bayonetta and stellar blade so, even though I haven’t played either of those, I get the point.
And… Shit I really need to go back and finish Disco Elysium.
jordanlundAccording to my wife…
Dress shirt with sleeves rolled up to the elbow.
Kilts.
KILTS!
So lots and lots of cocaine. Got it!
“Gee I don’t know boss, that’s a lot of hair…”
[gunshot]
“The gun shoots death…”
Just have to add on to all the preferences already described… don’t make them vapid idiots on top of the physical preferences, and you’ll be fine.
As long as they’re a cohesive, fleshed out character, they could be an evil pile of shit and quite a few ladies will be thinking, “can I fix him?”.
Same could be said for women characters, but it’s WAY easier to sell to a horny dipshit than a horny lady, since most said dipshits don’t think past hipthrust.
I cannot blame them. Snape is a cool character and not just because he was played by Alan Rickman in the movies.
Snape was one of the few characters that felt ‘real.’ Like, yeah, I could imagine a half-abused kid forever being haunted by what he did in a gang when he realized his unrequited love towards one of the few people who were nice to him as a kid was never going to have a chance… because his gang fucking killed her.
Also, he didn’t care that the entire point of his gang’s existence was the genocide of his “friend” and those like her, so long as she was excluded.
Yep. As much as it just makes me sound like a cynical asshole, again, it felt like that was him acting just like a real person would. Plenty of examples to be made from the current united states situation bullshit.
If it’s uncomfortable and disempowering for men, you’re probably doing it right. It’s often a power dynamic.
But to draw back from a sour take: This will also turn off some people. Both ways. For instance: I love sexualized designs, but some games genuinely went too far. Xenoblade Chronicles 2 and Nier Automata had genuine, serious stories to tell, but fell flat on some people for sexualizing their main (female) characters in such an objectifying way.
I also think for women, the pure visual isn’t quite as important as their movements and actions. That part gets tricky since tastes vary.
There’s a few gacha games out there designed for women that can give an idea of an extreme end to take it to. Again, keep in mind, there’s not one universal appeal for a whole gender (same for guys) so it will often turn out that the most universally appealing designs are the relatively safe ones you already see.
I also think for women, the pure visual isn’t quite as important as their movements and actions. That part gets tricky since tastes vary.
I find Wolf (sekiro) very hot in part because of how his movement is animated. BUT the man looks like he hasn’t bathed in weeks so… He’s more of a "hear me out’.
And also not thinking about visuals… Yeah, a sexy voice can do a lot of heavy lifting for a character.
🔍🦘🛎I’ve tried to get into Jojo so many times for the beautiful men, but I kinda get bored.
Regardless ,thanks Araki. I still love the art.
Strange, cause I’m a straight(ish) dude and it hooked me in season 2. Season 1 was cool, but the hyper batshit insanity of the following seasons hits.
I think I never finished season 1… I don’t remember exactly but I felt it had a lot of filler. Might give it a chance again if season 2 is where it ramps up.
Herbal GamerJojo Rabbit? Not sure if Hitler is that sexy…
Nothing dries me up faster than even the most fleeting thought of Andrew Tate
I think Hades is an excellent example of a game which just sexualizes everyone.