I don’t care what political side you’re on, anyone who is weird about any immigrants including H-1B workers is not a good ally. You don’t get to only support the immigrants you like who might not ‘take your well paid job’.

I’ve seen so many BS excuses about H-1B fraud from leftists that’s just thinly veiled racism and xenophobia and nationalistic economic protectionism

Those people make frothing at the mouth republicans seem more friendly. At least they’re not pretending to be your friend

Frankly I’m tired of many leftists and liberals pretending their anti-H1B rants are praxis instead of just anti-immigrant / Indian sentiment
I sometimes think you don’t get to have strong opinions on US immigration unless you know the difference between an I-129 and I-140

More importantly I feel like most criticism of the H-1B program just.. doesn’t really understand how skilled visas work.

Treating skilled legal immigrants like shit and giving them no rights is kind of the hallmark of almost all major immigration policies, not just the American one.

Proposing that we get rid of it because you think it is exploitative is as bad as the ‘I am all for open borders but I have no real suggestion for how western governments can right now stop treating brown people like shit’ problem.

You can criticize the H-1B program, but I also feel like there’s a slippery slope between that and economic protectionism.

I’ve very rarely seen actual legitimate criticism of it that also didn’t default or devolve to ‘actually Indians are bad at their jobs ha ha’

I don’t trust anyone who leads with ‘H-1B bad’. It doesn’t matter what ‘side’ you’re approaching it from. You might as well put on a red hat.

Also if your critique is ‘it can be better and I don’t want skilled immigrants to suffer’ maybe save your white saviorism for another pet topic

Or go work on actual immigration reform

The no 1 thing to fix in US immigration is the country caps.

Because of racism, people born in India and China etc face years of long waits (ranging from a couple of years to hundreds of years)

All of the applicants born in big countries have to compete for the same no of green cards as people from small countries

This is the specific mechanism that companies use to trap H-1B workers in subservience, not the H-1B program itself. There is little to no easy path to permanent residency because of the country caps.

@skinnylatte the US immigration system has always seemed like an uneasy compromise between the rabid racists and the genteel racists.
@wordshaper yeah remember the time an entire ethnic group was legally prevented from moving to the U.S. for a long time (Chinese exclusion act)

@skinnylatte Jupp, I entered the US on an L visa, which has even worse conditions than the H1B.
But Germany is a country that has no wait time, so I converted to a Greencard within a year.

The exploitation is only possible because people do not have a path to permanent residence and citizenship, and the number one blocker for that is racist quotas.

@sophieschmieg @skinnylatte a year! For me, just the labor certification step took longer!
@rebe_gc @sophieschmieg I didn’t need labor certification in both paths I went for, but I didn’t have my shit together until a few years later
@skinnylatte
My position is Abolish Borders. Anything else is a compromise.

@skinnylatte I don't know why we wouldn't want to make it as easy as possible for all the smart and talented people to come here because all of that makes our companies better which makes our economy better, etc. etc. If they are other places, they are making *those* places better.

If they are out competing native workers, we have to fix *their* skills to compete, like in education funds etc.

(I know racism is the actual answer)

@skinnylatte H1B sounds like a type of pencil to me :)