Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.

We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.

@nathandyer
I'm not sure about the point of the post.
1. anecdotal evidence is not a solid back up for an argument.
2. I don't think anybody is blocking young people from tinkering at home?
3. Putting hurdles in the way adds motivation to learn or find creative ways how to circumvent them.
4. Big corporations have teams of psychologists convincing people to spend time on their platforms. The assumption that young people are cleverer than them is disrespecting the psychological profession.
@schuga I am not sure about the point of YOUR post. It seems that it is full of shit. @nathandyer

@funbaker
Yes, we are all 'full of shit'. That's one of the defining facts of being alive.

As a father, as a teacher and as someone who got to know the internet as an adult, I see the need to keep corporate access out of our children's lives.

No need for intrusive age verification: the usage data tells enough about a person's age. The responsibility should be with the data collector not the user.

@schuga age verification *would be* possible without all that orwellian shit. They just don't want it.

There must be a counterinitiative against such things, not naive praisal.

@funbaker
@schuga
If we don't want to allow corporations to do their profiling and manipulation to children, why do we allow them to do that to adults?

@funbaker @schuga

age verification would be possible without all that orwellian shit. They just don't want it.

Privacy-preserving age verification is impossible with human actors in a human society.

Even the best mathematically-grounded options that have been offered fail in the face of simple corruption.

On those grounds alone, the idea is already garbage. Nevermind all the other issues with it.

@funbaker @schuga > 4. Big corporations have teams of psychologists convincing people to spend time on their platforms. The assumption that young people are cleverer than them is disrespecting the psychological profession.

So remove them from the equation. Ban the corposcum from providing social spaces they can readily manipulate.
@funbaker @schuga @nathandyer Jesus, what made you wake up and choose to be a dick today?