Mastodawn

This isn’t progressive politics, this is dictatorship apologetics. Fuck out of here with this propaganda.

This is progressive politics because it discusses NATO expansionism, and Putin details verifiable history that most Westerners don't know, revise, or refute out of hand, like you just did. Read the interview and credibly refute any portion. I'll wait.

He is literally the dictator of a fascist nation that’s conscripting anyone but oligarchs to fight a war of their own aggression. There is nothing progressive about that except as an example of what not to do.

Go fuck yourself! :3

Refute any portion of what he said.

Because he's distasteful to us doesn't make him a liar.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68255302

Grant Apr 26

@Maeve @SarahValentine

Tucker Carlson interview: Fact-checking Putin's 'nonsense' history

Historians say the litany of claims made by the Russian president are nothing more than a selective abuse of history to justify the ongoing war in Ukraine.

This is clearly a source without interests in a revised narrative. /s

I don’t care if the truth comes out of his mouth. If there is truth, there are better sources from which to get it than someone who has built his entire life on deception and murder. You’re out of your mind if you think you’re being in any way convincing. In fact, since you (like Putin) don’t know how to take no for an answer, get blocked.

I don't care if the truth comes out of his mouth. If there is truth, there are better sources from which to get it than someone who has built his entire life on deception and murder.

Surely the Western governments haven't built entire lives and states by doing that. Nope. They didn't lie about Israel/Palestine. Nor Iran. Certainly they didn't lie about Russia. Surely they didn't plan to colab with Hitler until he threatened their own interests. Surely they're not lying about Russia.

Surely they must invade and embargo AES states since AES doesn't work.🤡🤓

Thanks for the announcement that you're blocking, I guess. 🤷‍♀️

Zaktor Apr 26

Tucker Carlson interviews Vladimir Putin and OP thinks it’s on topic for the progressive politics community. What even is the supposed progressive value we’re supposed to accept here? Is it progressive to conscript your citizens and conquer your neighbor if they might ally with your opponent? Should Russia be allowed to have buffer zones on the territory of neighboring countries like Israel claims is its right? Is that a progressive ideology?

Anti-Americanism is a hell of a drug.

mrdown Apr 26

He belives that Russia is fighting nazis and the imperialist which if it was true it would be progessive . His valid frustration from the west imperialism and support for israel makes him blind to Russia serving it’s imperialist interests too

Thanks for misgendering me. And you're going to say I support Nazi Israel after very well knowing my post history! If Russia had made any expansionist moves post-Reagan, you may have a point. Am I forgetting any? Refresh my memory.

mrdown Apr 26

I never said yo support nazi Israel but Russia does

ARE YOU A BANDARITE? YES OR NO?

mrdown Apr 26

Bro is out here doing purity tests. For progressivism of course.

Purity tests? Projecting. You demand Putin be pure and support Nazi Ukraine. L oh fn l.

Archangel1313 Apr 26

If Russia had made any expansionist moves post-Reagan, you may have a point. Am I forgetting any? Refresh my memory.

Lol! Wut? You’ve apparently forgotten the last 30+ years of Russian history.

Moldova (1992–present) Georgia (1991–1993) Tajikistan (1992–1997) Chechnya (1994–1996, 1999–2009) Estonia (2007 Georgia again (2008) Ukraine (2014–present)

Syria could also be added to that list, in terms of solidifying Russian interests in the Middle East, as well as engaging in hybrid warfare across the EU for the same purpose.

It’s weird that you wouldn’t know this.

Maeve Apr 27

😂😂😂😅Yep. I said I needed rest and had things to do. I was too zoomed in on the immediate subject. I should have rested, done my things and come back with a clear mind. So I will, when things are done, sufficient rest is achieved.

Thanks for the reality check.

What even is the supposed progressive value we're supposed to accept here?

Actual truth and unrevised history.

Should Russia be allowed to have buffer zones on the territory of neighboring countries like Israel claims is its right?

How many times did the USA promise Russia no NATO creep? So yes, considering these false promises, they certainly do. Look at what Israel is doing to its neighbors with US funding and support. Surely they wouldn't do the same to Russia! 🤡🤢

Anticommunist revised history is the hell of a drug.

Zaktor Apr 26

You have no values and would support Israel if their target was an American puppet. Conquering a neighbor is not progressive. Stop, end of sentence, that’s all you need to know. Or do you think America was in the right when they blockaded Cuba for allying with the USSR?

There may be realpolitik analyses of empire that can convince people preemptive aggression to protect your national interests is good, but it’s not fucking progressive. You have no real principles, you only care about whatever opposes America. Go make a sub about that and you and your sad friends can rile each other up about how it’s actually cool and progressive if China conquers Taiwan and Japan for being allied with America. It’s all the same tankie bullshit.

Of course I support Cuba. Long before I supported Russia. Back when I thought liberals stood for democracy. Prove anything wrong, rather than throwing what you consider insults. Show aggression done by Russia post Reagan.

Btw, it was Jimmy Carter who affirmed the One China Policy, Japan attacked USA, China and it was RUSSIA who brought them under control. USA dropped nukes for no reason. The only state, so far, to use nukes.

Zaktor Apr 26

Thank you for proving my point. You don’t care about anti-imperialism or some realpolitik right of preemptive aggression to block an adversary, just team “whoever is against the US”.

The people of Cuba deserves sovereignty, so do the people of Gaza, the people of Taiwan, and the people of Ukraine. Fuck the imperialists and fuck their apologists. That’s actual progressive politics you poser.

You haven't shown Russian aggression post Reagan, other than Nazi Ukraine, which is righteous and good.

Everything else was a separate topic. I answered honestly anyway.