@massivelyop I'm thinking probably Champions Online. It just felt like the devs thought they knew better than anyone else and their goals were not clear. I still remember trying to build a hero and trying to figure out I'd rather use bleed or some other DOT but they didn't release the info about how much damage bleed actually did. Instead it was like "oh you should just play and find out" no thx, I need numbers for my maths yo!