Since releasing my oil video I've had so many people claiming that renewables will never work and we need nuclear power instead.

What's odd is that almost all of the messages mention that nuclear power is the only solution for the "base load".

I have a degree in Electrical Engineering and I took several nuclear science electives. I like nuclear energy. But I received so much "base load" gaslighting that I started to doubt my own understanding of the situation.

@notjustbikes I used to be very pro-nuclear. While.I still think removing power plants today for ecological reasons is highly counter productive, I have significantly changed my position overall. So many countries don't have the ability to deploy nuclear. They don't have any already, building the expertise takes decades, and can be the cause of geopolitical tensions (see Iran...).

@sgued @notjustbikes it was an excellent option we should have deployed more of in the 90's.

But it isn't the 90's any more.

@LovesTha Yeah, that's the thing.

When I was studying nuclear energy in University (because I was a huge proponent of it) it was the 90s, and we should've built a shitload of nuclear reactors then. It made sense.

But now? Nuclear rectors take ages to construct and they will not be as cheap as renewables.

Nuclear reactors may still make sense for powering heavy industrial applications though.

@notjustbikes @LovesTha

There was and interesting conversation between Robert Scheer and Thomas Bass (who wrote a book on Fukshima)

I have not fully investigated the assertions from Thomas, but he posits that nuclear was never viable, it was only ever a subsidy to enable weapons, there are obviously other positive and negative outcomes from nuclear, but this seems credible from my cursory understanding.

https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/8b142d79-e9a0-474f-a9b0-42ea71256169/bob-and-bass-june-26-2026.mp3

@houba @notjustbikes I haven't listened, but i would expect nuclear to be much more competitive if all externalities are included. Yes nuclear waste is bad, but a too hot planet is pretty bad too.

@LovesTha @notjustbikes

If I remember the figures from Thomas, it was a while since I listened to it, the cost of nuclear excluding build, disposal, and decommissioning is about $170 /MWh where solar is about $40 /MWh inclusive. *I will probably listen to it again today and correct later.*

He describes it as "the most expensive way to boil water."

*I edited from what Thomas said in the recording, I had guessed too low on nuclear and too high on solar.*

@houba @notjustbikes I can't believe the price for solar in the 90s was anywhere near that cheap.

@LovesTha @notjustbikes

I don't think he is talking about the 90s

I feel this may be 2023-5 estimates.

This paper estimates solar at $45/MWh for large scale solar. I don't know where Thomas gets the nuclear figure from.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/372355663_Electricity_Generation_Costs_by_Technology