Since releasing my oil video I've had so many people claiming that renewables will never work and we need nuclear power instead.

What's odd is that almost all of the messages mention that nuclear power is the only solution for the "base load".

I have a degree in Electrical Engineering and I took several nuclear science electives. I like nuclear energy. But I received so much "base load" gaslighting that I started to doubt my own understanding of the situation.

Energy consumption goes up and down throughout the day, but the "base load" is the minimum amount, even at the lowest point in the day. So nuclear power is good for providing this "base" because it's consistent and always running.

The issue is that renewables sometimes output so much electricity that, especially when it's sunny, the grid makes *way* too much electricity. The electricity consumption of the grid minus renewables is called the "residual load", and it very very often goes NEGATIVE.

This means that the concept of "base load" is not really relevant, because there is no consistent base. And when the residual load goes negative, the wholesale price of electricity goes negative as well.

Last year the Netherlands had negative wholesale electricity prices for about 7% of the year, and that amount is only going to grow.

You can't afford to run a nuclear reactor when electricity prices are negative, but you also can't shut it down every day either.

This was always my understanding of how renewables make the concept of "base load" irrelevant, again, as a person with a literal degree in Electrical Engineering.

But I was gaslit by so many people that I felt the need to research the current situation again today.

This could just be people using out of date information, but I suspect this is anti-renewables propaganda. Otherwise I don't know why so many people would even know what a "base load" is.

@notjustbikes say more! Smart grids and smart devices that can operate at optimal times.

Also, China had this problem with coal stations that couldn't stop despite needs being met. Is that still happening?

@rood @notjustbikes

Talking about "China" without a year number attached to what is being said is really hard, because things change rapidly there.

In 2024, China has been deploying new coal plants at approximately the same rate as they have been decommissioning older, dirtier ones.

The new plants have very low utilization rates, and are built as swing capacity. They are also being paid as reserve, base money for the ability to jump in on demand, and then additional money if they are actually needed.

@isotopp @notjustbikes around 2015 solar peaked, but the curtailment of coal became a whole other political infighting issue. After reading some of the latest reports I see that coal curtailment became impossible and it went the other way for most of the following decade. All this despite renewables trouncing coal quite regularly.

Provinces opting for new coal beyond mere back-up were basically going rogue.