Since releasing my oil video I've had so many people claiming that renewables will never work and we need nuclear power instead.

What's odd is that almost all of the messages mention that nuclear power is the only solution for the "base load".

I have a degree in Electrical Engineering and I took several nuclear science electives. I like nuclear energy. But I received so much "base load" gaslighting that I started to doubt my own understanding of the situation.

Energy consumption goes up and down throughout the day, but the "base load" is the minimum amount, even at the lowest point in the day. So nuclear power is good for providing this "base" because it's consistent and always running.

The issue is that renewables sometimes output so much electricity that, especially when it's sunny, the grid makes *way* too much electricity. The electricity consumption of the grid minus renewables is called the "residual load", and it very very often goes NEGATIVE.

This means that the concept of "base load" is not really relevant, because there is no consistent base. And when the residual load goes negative, the wholesale price of electricity goes negative as well.

Last year the Netherlands had negative wholesale electricity prices for about 7% of the year, and that amount is only going to grow.

You can't afford to run a nuclear reactor when electricity prices are negative, but you also can't shut it down every day either.

This was always my understanding of how renewables make the concept of "base load" irrelevant, again, as a person with a literal degree in Electrical Engineering.

But I was gaslit by so many people that I felt the need to research the current situation again today.

This could just be people using out of date information, but I suspect this is anti-renewables propaganda. Otherwise I don't know why so many people would even know what a "base load" is.

When I did some reading on the current situation, I found a lot of sites out of Australia that were repeating this "base load" idea, in the context of nuclear power.

I suspect that this is fossil-fuel propaganda.

Fossil fuel companies love promoting nuclear power because they know it takes decades to get a reactor built (if it gets built at all), and in the meantime, everyone keeps using fossil fuels.

It's the perfect way to cripple renewables without being obvious about it.

@notjustbikes I think the term you’re after is “dispatchable power”, which means production that can rapidly be ramped up or down - eg. Renewables firmed with batteries, or some types of fast response gas turbine. “Base load” is a vestige of the old coal power stations, which need to output approximately constant power, so we had to find ways of flattening consumption, eg by incentivising night time consumption.
@wall0159
However, the assumption that nuclear power is dispatchable is a myth: once you payed all the sunk cost to build a nuclear plant, it has to run 24/7 for a very long life if it ever wants to have remotely competitive prices per output.
@notjustbikes
@Sweetshark

Interestingly, French nuclear power plants modulate their output power all the time and still have electricity much cheaper than Germany 🤔
@kravietz
Lol "für Privathaushalte"
@Sweetshark

You literally buried me under an avalanche of very concrete arguments and data, much appreciated 😆
@kravietz
Also: Is this generation cost (I doubt it)? If those are the end consumer prices, one has to keep mind, that french prices are heavily subsidized.
@Sweetshark

@nibbs @Sweetshark

Electricity tariffs in Europe are very complex, all of them are somehow subsidised, and in addition to that they are part of the single market, which further distorts the prices of every single source at any given time.

The primary problem is however not that they are or aren’t subsidised in Europe, but that they are most certainly subsidised in China, which is both the cause and effect of EU buying most industrial production from there.

Leave me out of this -- we discussed thus before, when @kravietz ignored industrial electricity price is below 20 ct/KWh in Germany and unsubsidized nuclear production cost is higher than that.
@nibbs

@Sweetshark

But these industrial prices are subsidised, aren’t they?

@nibbs

@wall0159

If you check current Germany generation you will see it constantly runs 8-15 GW on biomass and lignite (brown coal). This is literally the textbook example of baseload generation, in a country that has absolutely insane amount of installed power in renewables

https://www.energy-charts.info/charts/power...
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