Some #Soviet history for you:

The technological heart of the #USSR was #Ukraine

#Dnipropetrovsk (aka #Dnipro) was nicknamed "Rocket City" during the #ColdWar

So when #Russia invaded Ukraine, Ukrainian innovation answered. Russia has been paying for that miscalculation ever since, and will pay a lot more for their colossal error

Ukrainian ingenuity will win this stupid war

"Ukraine Quietly Tested Space-Launch Capabilities in Middle of War Twice"

https://united24media.com/latest-news/ukraine-quietly-tested-space-launch-capabilities-in-middle-of-war-twice-17852

#UkraineWar

Ukraine Quietly Tested Space-Launch Capabilities in Middle of War Twice

Ukraine's military intelligence conducted two secret space missions during the war, reaching altitudes of 100km and 204km.

UNITED24 Media

people need to understand:

when europe's bureaucrats and america's fascists go "you're not going to build a nuke, right ukraine?" it makes sense ukraine would nod along

and then quietly build a bomb in secret and show proof to russia

it's not your people being genocided, so who are you to judge

i am against nuclear proliferation in principle, but i also understand theoretical ideals vs cold hard reality

you don't want a ukrainian bomb?

then give ukraine everything they ask for, and more

@benroyce
Right?? If Russia and the US will not honor the Budapest Memorandum, then why should Ukraine?

@MaryAustinBooks

i don't want a ukrainian bomb

you don't want a ukrainian bomb

but it's not us who are having our friends and relatives mass murdered for russia's ethnofascist cruelty, while russia endlessly bloviates about nukes itself

ukrainians don't want a ukrainian bomb!

but ukraine has a coherent need to say: "you nuke kyiv, moscow ceases to exist"

and anyone who thinks this is terrible: it absolutely is

but are you going to blame ukraine for that?

no

this is what russia created

@benroyce @MaryAustinBooks Ukraine already rejected nuclear weapons and the world has now forced them to not only develop them but deploy them as a deterrent as quickly as possible. Don't think every other middle power in the world hasn't noticed.
@mike @benroyce @MaryAustinBooks rejected is not the right word. Ukraine was encouraged to give them up to appease Russia by the Western "Allies" in return for security guarantees from said "Allies". Those same "Allies" did nothing, except a strongly worded letter, when Crimea was taken illegally. If Ukraine had kept its nuclear "deterent", the invasions in 2014 and 2022 would likely not have happened.
@EF @benroyce @MaryAustinBooks Youre preaching to the choir. I'm familiar with how it went down because at the time I felt like they would grow to regret the decision, even thoughit was the wild west.
@benroyce @MaryAustinBooks Don't understate the US's complicity in this - we could easily have given them enough to bounce Russia back to the border years ago, and instead we trickled stuff out and ignored our responsibility to Ukraine.

@mhkohne @MaryAustinBooks

because you were dealing with spineless bureaucrats, in europe and the usa at the time

they were scared of oil shocks and russian nuclear threats. not understanding that on some issues, you have to fucking fight, now

of course now the usa has gone fascist, but europe is growing its backbone

@benroyce

Pretty much all of the serious people I know agree that "first use" of a nuclear weapon would be a war crime. (They also think it was a war crime when the US did it in Japan). Much of the cold war was trying to goad the other side into committing that crime so that the responder could be "in the right." Pretty sure Putin understands that. He could not defend Moscow from retaliatory strikes for NATO neighbors of Ukraine who could claim Article 5. 1/2

@mhkohne @MaryAustinBooks

@benroyce

It is unclear (and untested thankfully) how far a nuclear war would escalate beyond the destruction of the country that first used nuclear weapons. Most people want to live on what's left of the planet so they are presumed to be inclined to not keep it up after the initial user was taken out. That doesn't really include the eye for an eye types if you know who I mean and they would be a wildcard here. 2/2

@mhkohne @MaryAustinBooks