hex

RE: https://mamot.fr/@pluralistic/116395778447572916

While I agree with the overall anyways of the upcoming situation, I wouldn't rely on the ballot... Especially in the US.

There is a parallel between the #enshitificaton of software, hardware, and services and the austerity to fascism pipeline. The state is just an older type of walled garden. The solution isn't to improve the walled garden, but to leave it forever.

When we build systems, together, that cannot be shut down, that exist outside of these political systems, then we are opting out. Anarchism is the open source option of political ideologies.

Apr 13 at 8:47amWeb
Show threadFishercat2d ago
@Hex In the first paragraph, did you mean you agreee with the overall analysis?
Show threadbook_dragon2d ago

@Hex In keeping with your analogy, what if we just knocked down the walls (removed gov. control) and continued to expand our gardens as we see fit? There could then be an anarchy of place.

Also, is anarchy considered an "end state," or is it a necessary incubator for better systems?

Show threadhex2d ago

@JeanieBurrell There are actually models of exactly this, and that's part of the idea behind the whole "build the new world in the shell of the old."

It's completely unnecessary to "end the state" (as in, fight directly against it... though, that could be necessary in self-defense). Hypothetically, the state could end up withering rather than being actively destroyed.

This is exactly why I advocate for disaster preparedness as a core praxis.

Show threadwhy tolerate cheetos2d ago
@Hex @JeanieBurrell In practice, states tend to end themselves. And the more authoritarian the state, the more likely it is to end in chaos, not anarchy. Anarchy is what we do with the chaos.
Show threadbook_dragon2d ago
@wyatt_h_knott @Hex And yet the rage I feel at waiting for the authoritarian state to wither becomes more justified by the day. We cannot sow seeds in salted earth, poisoned water, and foul air. The resources needed to create and maintain existence in the absence of the systems we've been conditioned to are the austerity I fear. Austerity doesn't mean I don't have money, it means I don't have resources (food, water, community, etc.). Chaos is the bad end state.
Show threadhex12h ago

@JeanieBurrell @wyatt_h_knott I think there may be times and places where things could use an extra push. If, say, there was an uprising in Russia that toppled Putin that would be great. If that uprising recognized the way Putin and the oligarchy uses natural gas as their controlling resource, and destroyed that infrastructure then that would be all the better.

There will always be a question of what actions could have saved this species, that island or city, etc. Those questions will get harder every day. But without the community infrastructure to support such actions, they will all ultimately fail. What is needed is not just action, but sustainable action. Most of that will be building things, but there are also things that need to be destroyed. Unsustainable action in either does not significantly impact the situation.

Show threadwhy tolerate cheetos7h ago
@Hex @JeanieBurrell Truthfully, we need to make and build a lot less and destroy a bunch of stuff - not necessarily physical stuff though. Some of what needs to be destroyed is stupid ideas: churches as non-profits, corporations "create" wealth, the state's job is to encourage economic growth. Also need to shift some production to other stuff - like renewables. We need to get OUT of a bunch of bad habits - flying, buying crap from overseas, dating food short of its actual use date, like that.
Show threadbook_dragon2d ago
@Hex I have been out thinking in the garden. After reading @mlkurnaz 's post on climate instability, I have a new view of disaster preparedness. It can't be "fill up car, have 2 weeks of food and medicine, make sure your phone is charged, etc." That's for hurricanes. Climate instability will necessitate far broader planning as we negotiate fluctuations in land arability, water availability, and temperature. The Long Preparedness, if you will.
Show threadhex2d ago
@JeanieBurrell @mlkurnaz exactly. That level of preparedness is not something that is possible for hierarchal systems. So there's an overlap between the kind of preparedness we need, and the kind of world we want to build.
Show threadbook_dragon2d ago

@Hex @mlkurnaz Hmmm. @bethsawin just popped up in my feed with a very interesting, and topical question regarding multisystem disaster preparedness. Book's not out yet, but here's an older article of hers I found intriguing.

https://www.resilience.org/stories/2023-07-21/disaster-recovery-efforts-can-serve-more-than-one-goal/

Disaster Recovery Efforts Can Serve More than One Goal

There are as many ways to multisolve as there are places to try it. The point isn’t perfection. It’s to set out to recover quickly but mindfully, capturing as many co-benefits as possible along the way.

resilience
Show threadLykso1d ago
@JeanieBurrell @Hex The trouble I see is that this would likely create a power vacuum into which, most likely, we would see a completely unaccountable private actor enter. If we don't have a system of defense in place, then we become a nation governed by Palantir, or whatever group proves best able to wield violence. But, of course, the establishment of a defense also creates the conditions necessary for that defense to be used for coercive means. I don't see a way out of that bind. 🫤
Show threadResistor McResistanceFace2d ago

@Hex

"I am the zombie apocalypse you are seeking" - every fuck behind OpenAI may they never find rest