Mark AsserApr 12

Just noting, for the benefit of people who are pointing out that Hungary's PM-elect isn't some sort of progressive saint:

1. Yeah, his party is centre-right, but it's also the furthest left of the parties with seats in the new parliament.

2. Winning a two-thirds majority in a system designed to disadvantage opposition parties is a seismic shift.

3. Look back over the last century-and-a-bit of Hungarian history and you'll see the red-rag Left doing many horrible things which have not been forgotten. You'll also see the interwar fascism of the Horthy "regency" and maybe you'll agree that Hungary can have a bit of near-centrism, as a treat.

So, this is where us outsiders sit back and shut up and watch as an antidemocratic system is brought back to something resembling normality.

Show threadspiegelmama
@MarkAsser The U.S. and U.K. should take notes. We've got some work ahead of us to unfuck our countries.
Apr 12 at 10:49pmWeb
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@spiegelmama I have Opinions on what needs to be done in both cases but I'll kerp them to myself for now - and not jus because nuance is impossible while typing on a bus which is lurching a bit.
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@MarkAsser ❤️
Show threadtudorApr 13
@spiegelmama @MarkAsser what happened in Hungary can't happen in the US. Here the process of voting was always free, practical, cheat-proof and done extremely professionally. The cheating happened somewhere else. The US does not allows people to vote, or their votes to be counted, or allows cheating during the voting or the counting.
Show threadspiegelmamaApr 13
@tudor @MarkAsser That is at best a half-truth. There is voter suppression in the U.S. for sure, but almost no voter fraud. I'm not sure what you get out of making things up, but I'm going to mute you.
Show threadtudorApr 13
@spiegelmama @MarkAsser for those who havenot muted me - not fraud by the people, but for example allowing random republican affiliated tech people unmonitored access to the voting machines.