Da Cap’nD.C. Grand Jury Orders Reddit to Turn Over Data on Anonymous ICE Critic
voidsignalah pedonald trying to scare people. fuck him with a retractable batton.
Lemmyng
Pat_Riot
CarbonIceDragonThat calcium-loving one that eats your bones if you touch it?
saltesc
wonderingwandererNah, give him shrooms and let the mushroom gods show him the weight of his own soul as it drags him beneath the rising tides of the abyss…
ryannathansI think you’re referring to hydrofluoric acid
theOneTrueSpoonAh yes, the bone hurting juice
skribeconcentrated HF is highly toxic and caustic, while diluted in water isnt that poisonous.
Donny was a pedo-phile
Now Donny is no more
What Donny thought was H20
Was H2SO4
man i fuckin hate the us government. Do y’all really say shit like “pedonald” unironically though
do y’all say that shit and be like “heh yeah i got his ass”? do y’all say shit like “The Orange Menace” and think it’s the fuckin bomb dot com?
you old ass freaky mfs got that truth social energy going on. Y’all say some corn ball facebook auntie garbage and act like it’s normal or tuff
Can y’all act like normal human beings instead of this weird ass insulated secluded sector of the radicalized internet for a sec big dog like damn
Come on down from wherever you are from and get the ball rolling for us, id welcome you
It’s not the radicalized people who are fine with a pedophile in the white house…
Room temp IQ.
owenfromcanadaThe most absurd part of this is their inability to dox someone for a month. Give a handful of bored nerds any motivation and they’d have it figured out in a day or two.
Be grateful they are incompetent.
The Reddit hivemind is a bit like AI, now that I think about it.
They’ll give you a confident, reasonable sounding answer. Any accuracy will be completely accidental.
These days I’m pretty sure most of the Reddit hivemind is AI.
Well you see, most of reddit bots/comments are AI generated. it comes from 2 camps, 1 from propaganda, and the other (reddit targets with thier own AI moderation) the OF/ link /business droppers/ads that are warming up thier accoutns with random comments(in non-propaganda way) or posting it.
They’ve had difficulty convincing grand juries to indict in other sketchy cases. I have to wonder what super secret group of totally-not-ICE-officials this was approved by.
Grand juries are usually formalities with a very low bar. There’s a phrase that you can indict a ham sandwich. Not getting a “true bill” is honestly an embarrassment that many prosecutors never see in their entire career.
I could have seen this get blocked here, but there are still many steps ahead, each will get harder to move forward with.
Fun fact: I just wrapped up a case as a juror (not a grand juror) this morning. We rendered a verdict of not guilty because there was plenty of reasonable doubt to be had.
It hasn’t been approved yet - the title is misleading. The US has requested Reddit appear for a grand jury hearing by April 14.
probably a ALL-PRO ice jury.
This is a reminder to everyone. If you or someone you know is still on Reddit. Use an extension to bulk deleted everything before deleting the account. You’re friends and family are not safe posting on reddit.
Can you do that for a banned account?
If you wait long enough they’ll unban your account. I lost my 10 year old account a few months before the API debacle over referencing piracy in /r/movies and then inadvertently commenting there on an alt account, and just discovered that it was completely restored a few months ago.
Good to know, since I was shadow-banned for “circumventing a ban” even though my account wasn’t banned to begin with. (No, I didn’t have any alt accounts)
That’s exactly what mine was for. I think it was around 2 years later that it was restored.
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treadfulI am no fan of reddit but in this case Reddit appears to have championed this users anonymity going so far as to actively draw the ire of the administration.
- Reddit refused to comply with the initial administrative subpoena
- the Federal government came back with this grand jury subpoena and warned Reddit not to disclose the existence of the subpoena or they’d consider it interference in federal law enforcement
- Reddit complied with this new legally binding subpoena, but did not comply with the demand to keep it a secret. In the contrary, they immediately alerted the user of the subpoena which allowed him time to immediately lawyer up.
talYou’re not wrong that you’re not safe posting on Reddit, but if this case is any indication you’re not any less safe posting in Reddit than any other site, including Lemmy.
You can choose the location (and thus legal jurisdiction) of your home instance, but yeah, in general, I think that people need to be aware that server operators on the Threadiverse are probably not going to fight legal battles on your behalf.
We had someone ask about turning over IP addresses to law enforcement a while back on lemmy.today. The lemmy.today server admin gave what I’d call probably a pretty accurate answer.
How will Lemmy Today handle IP subpoenas?
Lemmy instances are run by volunteers who wants to see a social media network without big tech.
I dont think you can trust any of those volunteers, including this one, to not comply with law enforcement. Thats not why we are running instances. Its about providing a platform without tracking, ads and algorithms for talking to other people and having a good time.
Hope that makes sense.
Use a VPN if you have a reason to. :)
It linked to a similar question for lemmy.dbzer0.com:
How will dbzer0 handle IP subpoenas?
Don’t know man. I’m not making enough in donations to pay for the server costs, never mind hiring lawyers. I’ll deal with this when I have to 😅
There are platforms more-aimed at providing harder pseudonymity. I’d put Hyphanet fairly high on the list of “a pain in the ass to track a poster down due to technical barriers” list (though that comes with very real performance and latency and suchlike costs).
How will Lemmy Today handle IP subpoenas? - Lemmy Today
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.today/post/6869625 [https://lemmy.today/post/6869625] > I’m referencing this article: https://torrentfreak.com/film-companies-seek-torrenting-history-related-to-redditor-240220/ [https://torrentfreak.com/film-companies-seek-torrenting-history-related-to-redditor-240220/] > > Given that they’re expanding to reddit, I was wondering how dbzer0 is setup to handle similar requests. The legal help page for dbzer0 is just an e-mail address.
QuokkaTo answer for Quokk.au. If I had to, I’d delete the instance and all data before ever handing anything over. They can take me to court if need be.
CatZoomiesIf you’re subpoenaed and a request for discovery is not met because you destroyed evidence, that comes with severe penalties. In court, you’d have to prove that you didn’t intentionally destroy data. You’ll have to find an attorney that can protect you against a government or powerful corporation.
Depending on the country and jurisdiction, intentional spoliation of data will lead to harsh penalties, criminal charges, expensive financial restitution, and jail time. Would you want to serve multiple years in jail and pay hundreds of thousands in fines just to protect the data on your server? Would you want criminal charges and job loss, and the incredible difficulty of finding employment again when you get out of jail? Permanent criminal charges on your record for the rest of your life?
If yes, you’re very, very brave. Most other server owners would just comply. They’re already struggling to pay their bills, including serving Lemmy. Must be expensive trying to get legal representation when they’re ordered to turn over data.
I run an instance filled with trans people and anarchists, I would risk a lot to protect them from the state.
Props to you, homie. I didn’t personally know about your instance, so your character is courageous and exemplary. I’d like to think my values are aligned with yours as I’ll stand up for trans people, too.
While the likelihood of being served a subpoena to turn over data is slim, just be careful. If you already don’t have a great moderation team on your server, make sure to set ground rules and stamp out calls to violence and other things that would get someone in loads of trouble. The state won’t target an online community, but persons making active threats to the state (e.g., a call for assassination of a public figure, organising violence and harm, etc.) will get you in loads of trouble.
If I was on your server and some dipshit was threatening assassinating a politician or organising a hit, you got a served a subpoena, and you were getting ready to delete your instance, I’d jump in and request you to stop. I don’t think it’d be worth nuking the whole community and all the data so you get punished on behalf of that one dipshit. Don’t think it’d be worth having your life destroyed because one edgelord thinks it’s great to say stuff like that online without reprisal, in our state-sponsored surveillance system.
Why should the instance care about my ip? Why would they log it? Idem emails. Why tf do you care? We need a privacy preserving/enhancing server.
That is what I said
Life is not safe. It’s pretty relatively safe, as compared to living under a lean-to in the woods with bears and disease carrying insects and such, and even that’s safer than people make it out to be. However, there are “dangerous things” out there, both in the woods and in the streets and in the organized crime / government. Are you more likely to die of a car crash, or a malicious action of some organized group, or a car crash arranged by some organized group? It’s really hard to be sure, but if the available information is anything close to accurate, you’re better off worrying about a car crash than a meteorite strike, or shark bite, or bad people targeting you.
muusemuuseWe know. We exist out of spite.
Isn’t Reddit owned by China? WTF is Trump going to do?
fallaciousBasisYou’d really think they could afford hiring some moderators.
Reddit is headquartered in San Francisco
harder to make a international site comply though
Only if that country doesn’t have info sharing treaties with the U.S.
Ya. I just got a 7 day ban for telling people to go and train with their guns at shooting ranges just to get used to using them before the civil war starts.
Scotty_Treesbro you need to relax and touch some grass, fr fr.
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