We knew, but the proof is nice.

"Apple just proved that AI models cannot do math. Not advanced math. Grade school math. The kind a 10-year-old solves"

The guess-the-next-words machines don’t actually understand anything.

https://nitter.poast.org/heynavtoor/status/2041243558833987600#m

#math #ai

@davidaugust

not new, here's the 2024 paper referenced:

https://arxiv.org/abs/2410.05229

GSM-Symbolic: Understanding the Limitations of Mathematical Reasoning in Large Language Models

Recent advancements in Large Language Models (LLMs) have sparked interest in their formal reasoning capabilities, particularly in mathematics. The GSM8K benchmark is widely used to assess the mathematical reasoning of models on grade-school-level questions. While the performance of LLMs on GSM8K has significantly improved in recent years, it remains unclear whether their mathematical reasoning capabilities have genuinely advanced, raising questions about the reliability of the reported metrics. To address these concerns, we conduct a large-scale study on several SOTA open and closed models. To overcome the limitations of existing evaluations, we introduce GSM-Symbolic, an improved benchmark created from symbolic templates that allow for the generation of a diverse set of questions. GSM-Symbolic enables more controllable evaluations, providing key insights and more reliable metrics for measuring the reasoning capabilities of models.Our findings reveal that LLMs exhibit noticeable variance when responding to different instantiations of the same question. Specifically, the performance of all models declines when only the numerical values in the question are altered in the GSM-Symbolic benchmark. Furthermore, we investigate the fragility of mathematical reasoning in these models and show that their performance significantly deteriorates as the number of clauses in a question increases. We hypothesize that this decline is because current LLMs cannot perform genuine logical reasoning; they replicate reasoning steps from their training data. Adding a single clause that seems relevant to the question causes significant performance drops (up to 65%) across all state-of-the-art models, even though the clause doesn't contribute to the reasoning chain needed for the final answer. Overall, our work offers a more nuanced understanding of LLMs' capabilities and limitations in mathematical reasoning.

arXiv.org
@joriki it’s from August.
@davidaugust @joriki check the post history, it was revised in August ‘25 but first posted back in October 2024. Presumably the second revision was after review or in prep for presentation at a conference

@nuclearpidgeon @joriki as the paper says at the link you provided, it said August for “this version.”

To avoid the meaningless debate you seem to be devolving into of arbitrarily discounting later versions as the valid “this version” being put forward, I am muting you for a week.

It wastes your time, my time and anyone reading along to split hairs randomly on which version you personally want to designate as canonical.

Good luck.

@davidaugust @joriki it matters when the research was done! They didn’t “just prove” something if the work and evaluations were all done like a year earlier.