Ian BetteridgeIt’s ironic that points the left has been making for four decades - that the US couldn’t be relied on, that Europe needed to be “neither Washington nor Moscow” - have been so ably demonstrated by Trump.
Reconstitute NATO without the US. Bring in Ukraine. Ukraine knows how to fight 21st century defensive wars. All the US knows how to do is bomb countries where they have air superiority- and even then, they lose.
gnate@ianbetteridge Not to mention the potential need to defend against the US...
Hywel@gnate @ianbetteridge it’s not *that* implausible that they could justify to themselves the bombing of London because we have nukes and traitors like Liz Truss confirm lies about the Islamification of the UK.
MAGA would just say “I support Trump. I think he’s done the right thing”. The only basis for that being Fox News/Levitt press conference.
Jef Poskanzer@ianbetteridge There's a subset of NATO in a group called the Joint Expeditionary Force. Maybe bring in the rest of NATO, and Ukraine, and somehow forget to invite the USA to the meetings.
Koos@ianbetteridge to me, the most likely scenario for an attack on the USA would be a retaliation. Under the current circumstances, I don't think any other NATO state is eager to call that an attack on NATO. With the USA saying they want out anyway, they're practically no longer part of it.
Dave Rahardja@ianbetteridge Well there is SAFE, of which Canada is now a member. Maybe they can expand it from a financial arragement to an actual defense treaty organization.
https://defence-industry-space.ec.europa.eu/eu-defence-industry/safe-security-action-europe_en
SAFE | Security Action for Europe
Adopted by the Council of the European Union on the 27th of May 2025, Security Action for Europe (SAFE) is the EU’s new financial instrument designed to support Member States in joint investments in defence industrial production, with a focus on closing critical capability gaps.
Christo. London, England@ianbetteridge
NATO needs to relocate
NATO needs to relocate
Just Tom... 🐁Interesting, the other day, to see a North American news publication (I have forgotten which one) refer to NATO as The North American Treaty Organisation. They really have little idea that there is a whole world beyond their shores...!
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