KarmanopolyI can't wait for BYD and it's technology to come to Canada.
observantTrapeziumI can’t wait for public transit to suck less in Canada.
I’m sure most people love dropping their one kid off at soccer and getting their other kid to hockey practice while using the bus
Montréal has… okay level transit by North American standards. My kids can go over to the arena by themselves once they turn ten, taking the three stops by bus. Until then I’ll just bike with them.
North America just sucks, not because of distances. But because of shit transit and urban sprawl.
I remember seeing elementary kids use the subways in Hong Kong by themselves. In Japan there are kids everywhere taking themselves to and from school. Why does mom need a car to tote them around if the city and transportation are built out correctly.
Yeah, America acts like transit is not viable. Back in my mom’s era she was taking the city bus to school at 7 years old.
Just yesterday I was at an organized work event (at an events center), when it was done I walked across the street and got right on the bus, transfered at at a Norths-South East-West corner and dropped off a block from my house.
It’s actually more pleasant than driving because you don’t have to worry about idiot drivers, and I got to hear some locals exchanging recipe ideas, and where to buy the best avacados. 😀
Most people would not mind that, especially if transit got better. What’s your point?
HanrahanWestCoast is building more Skytrain infrastructure right now, and proposing new buslines. Dedicated bikelane proposals are also out for public review on best options. You just have to live in the parts of Canada that care about health and environment.
The metro system in montreal is getting worse and worse. The new montreal mayor is not a big fan of bike lane either
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EV giant BYD accused of forced labour violations at European factory | CBC News
As Canada lowers its tariffs and imports more electric vehicles from China, an upcoming report from New York-based labour rights researchers is making new allegations of forced labour practices at the world's bestselling EV manufacturer, BYD.
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ikiddSame thing happened in Brazil.
If you buy a BYD your buying something made with slave labor.
Avid AmoebaThe (small number of) TTC electric buses are BYD. They got built in Newmarket but I think the production stopped due to some issues. A larger scale attempt might be needed. :D That said, we might want to try that with sodium-ion batteries.
That is cool! I heard when they did the procurement a while ago, but I did not know what happened after. It is great to know that they were made here.
I think once we have plenty of buses (and other EVs) around, the battery recycling will catch up. Just like it happened with the lead-acid.
the battery recycling will catch up.
For sure. That said, for applications where applicable, sodium-ion kinda makes recycling moot. There’s “unlimited” supply of the input materials. CATL and some smaller factories just started production and it’s already cheaper than LFP. I haven’t checked if buses are suitable application but I think they should be.
the production stopped due to some issues
💩 was the issue.
Don’t we have a pretty good electric bus factory in Manitoba? I thought New Flyer is doing good cause most new bus here are electric.
I am learning a lot from this thread, thanks for sharing. It seems that 1 in 3 buses in NA are from New Flyer.
Also, I like their proposition of having a centre median boarding platform. youtu.be/Xhw66RpevsM Some few decades ago, I heard about some cities solving bus traffic by using the centre of the street for public transport.
New Flyer battery-electric Xcelsior CHARGE NG™ 40-foot bus featuring 3-door configuration for BRT.
BYD was building electric buses in Newmarket, Ontario. They were so shit, Toronto stopped using them and they shut down after lawsuits. This is what y’all can’t wait for.
I am not able to read the article. It only shows the headline for me.
I found an article with similar title that lists the reasons as:
- Significant delays in obtaining replacement parts, taking up to 73 days for a single rear axle.
- Poor quality of repair manuals and a lack of diagnostic tools in English.
- Insufficient engineering support from BYD during operations.
Does that match the article you shared? Is there more to it?
As long as they aren’t a phone home device like the Superbox TV streaming devices.
Ironically another BYD post below this one cbc.ca/…/byd-hungary-china-labour-watch-9.7154249
EV giant BYD accused of forced labour violations at European factory | CBC News
As Canada lowers its tariffs and imports more electric vehicles from China, an upcoming report from New York-based labour rights researchers is making new allegations of forced labour practices at the world's bestselling EV manufacturer, BYD.
CubitOomLast time I visited China, I asked a few of my friends over there what they thought of BYD. They said they are bombs on wheels, and that the caught fire often.
I welcome more affordable electric vehicles, but there should be caution and safety testing for things as dangerous as a car. Especially from a country who’s industry is known for cutting corners to increase profits and has very little concern for human life.
Canada still has its own safety standards that other manufacturers of goods need to meet if they’re going to import or produce within Canada, as far as I’m aware.
Which is one of a couple reasons why ultra-cheap Chinese EVs aren’t likely.
People see some 🤡 on youtube counting cupholders and conclude it’s a reliable vehicle.
Why is BYD the only Chinese EV company that people talk about? There are other options that are just as good (and by many measures better).
CouldbealeotardBecause they are very cheap for an EV but they don’t feel cheap when you experience them.
skankhunt42But is everything computer?
In Australia they are far and away the cheapest EV brand. No others exist in that category.
Talk to us in 5 salty years of CDN winters.
They are being sold in countries where that’s not a factor
Are there any real advantages over a another nation’s EVs, besides cost? There’s the battery swapping thing, but I kind of doubt they’d sink that level of money in.
I think because China is subsidizing their EVs then that’s why it’s cheap and people will buy cheap.
That, and just lower cost of labour.
It seems likely they’re going to ship the models with the best margin, though, and those are not the cheap ones.
Canada subsidizes all automakers. So why are our vehicles shit and overpriced?
Their charging tech is insane. Like, 90% battery in the time it takes to use the bathroom kind of stuff. They’re also pushing hard into sodium battery tech that doesn’t catch fire, so their EVs are gonna be some of the safest in the world.
I would need serious reassurances about the safety (privacy) of their onboard software if I was going to buy one, but their tech is bloody brilliant.
Hmm, looks like it comes down to how fast they can cool their batteries. I wonder if there’s any tradeoffs. Thanks.
I’d take the sodium thing with a grain of salt (if you will), though. When there’s energy there, and it releases uncontrolled, you’re going to get a fire or at least a blob of molten battery. At best they’re going to be more resistant to that. If they can get good power densities it’s worth it just for the abundance of raw materials, though.
They build really great electric vehicles
Sure, and everything on TEMU is great.
I saw one video where it charged up just as fact as refueling gasoline would be
Those chargers do not exist in Canada. If they did, Doug Ford would rip them out.
𝕱𝖎𝖗𝖊𝖜𝖎𝖙𝖈𝖍While it’s exciting to have more EV options, we don’t know about how brand’s long term ownership is going like in NA yet.
They should have reliable network and infra for maintenance, repair and services. We’ll see it unfolds in a few years.
Yes I agree on investing more public transportation but it’s not going to happen anytime soon.
Yeah they’re very popular here in Australia, they’re everywhere
Every driver of one I’ve asked is really happy with it and them too.