1moreminif western christianity isn't bad enough for you, you still have a week to try some orthodox bullshit
yeah yeah yeah "I am a respectful atheist", been there, said that and you know? it's privileged crap.
I live in a country FAR from secular. Examples: there's obligatory prayer every morning at schools, we are forced to have icons in classrooms, there's a huge area in Northern Greece ruled by monasteries where women are strictly forbidden to step on.
No I don't respect them, they are not a weak, marginalized minority.
Fuck all churches.
Darren McGuicken@1moremin The really wild thing is: I’m a christian and I don't disagree… I wish we had another term that was distinct from the awful, regressive, fascist, abusive, misogynistic, manipulative, hateful, loud, insular, controlling thing that seems to be what the word came to mean. Something that points instead to the Jesus who hung out with women, with widows, the manual labouring poor, the sex workers, the despised foreigners, and told them how much better they were than their religious leaders.
@dmcgk many kind and intelligent people I know are christians. My own mother, that I love and admire. What you describe is human decency and/or a clear social and political stance. It's not exactly religion. It's love.
The purpose of organised religions and their churches is not love, it's power.
The purpose of organised religions and their churches is not love, it's power.
@dmcgk And then there are the matters of faith. Who believes in a (male) almighty entity that created everything? who accepts in *full* faith the cosmology of christianity or any other massive religion?
The moment you deviate from their narration, you begin questioning everything: the institutions, the purposes, the profits.
But are you even a christian then?
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The moment you deviate from their narration, you begin questioning everything: the institutions, the purposes, the profits.
But are you even a christian then?
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@dmcgk anyway :)
I don't say this word very often but I am actually *oppressed* by the church and profanity is some small resistance :)
I don't say this word very often but I am actually *oppressed* by the church and profanity is some small resistance :)
@1moremin Once again, completely agreed 🙂 The harshest thing I can think to wish on your oppressors is that they learn how little love there is in their lives. Keep on swearing.
@1moremin Your heart and mind sound perfectly good to me.
@dmcgk hey, goodmorning. I've been thinking about this conversation.
One: I shouldn't use the term "oppressed". It *is* a self-victimising exaggeration. Surely, I am highly affected by orthodox christianity and their habits but I can openly question them, as long as I have enough nerve for arguments.
Still: I am not hiding. My life is not at immediate risk if I speak up.
So, not oppressed (sorry Loretta). Part of a minority? yes. Deeply against their system of beliefs & practices? also yes.
@1moremin Good morning! I don't think it's at all wrong to use oppressed if you're _feeling_ oppressed, there are definitely degrees of being controlled and contained and smothered, and you should absolutely feel to say so. If nothing else it helps the rest of us understand the depth of your feeling and lived experience.