David Gerardthe AI bros are OUTRAGED and wish to speak to the MANAGER
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mathew@davidgerard "They stole your code and your art, they built racism into their systems, they're eliminating your job or making it worse, they're enabling criminal fraud, they're trashing the environment, they're making computer hardware unaffordable, they're taking down your web site with their crawlers, and they’re about to crash the economy. Also, their technology is being used to drown out legitimate content with spam, push fascism, generate child porn, and target bombs at hospitals. So why won't you be civil to them and their fans? They just want to talk at you about exciting new uses for the technology, and bully you into accepting it by telling you it's inevitable and you'll be left behind if you don't use it. Your gatekeeping is a tragedy, we should be welcoming them to Mastodon, otherwise number won't go up."
David Fleetwood - RG Admin@mathew @davidgerard And there is zero case for AI if and until these issues are rectified. Not explained away. Not dismissed. Not ignored and swept under the carpet. Rectified.
@reflex @davidgerard Absolutely. Show me ethically trained LLMs, with appropriately low power consumption, use cases that benefit society, and solid controls against surveillance and abuse, and I'll be interested. It's a shame the technology has become 99% the purview of the worst people.
Kg. Madee Ⅱ.@kgMadee2 @mathew @davidgerard I would accept more slop (but of course with caution) if it wasn't built on horrible data by horrible people consuming horrible amounts of resources.
@reflex @mathew @davidgerard yeah, then at least it would be "just a tool" that you need to use right
@kgMadee2 @mathew @davidgerard Yes, and I could fairly evaluate what it could be trusted to do (not much in it's current state) and what to keep it away from (almost everything). It could be developed slowly and iteratively with the attention to detail such capabilities warrant.
marquis de karabas-barabas@mathew @davidgerard Not that I'm pro AI, but they didn't just steal the nice things and then add the evil things. The racism stem from the same source as the art and code..
@presidiet @davidgerard Oh yes, absolutely. The racism came from the training data, so ultimately from society — but the negative view of AI and the dislike for any tech bro pushing it comes from society as well, it's the mainstream view. So at least in those two areas he highlights, Mastodon is reflecting society in general.
Kwaze Kwaze@presidiet @mathew @davidgerard
I mean, if I let a bunch of cockroaches get into some cake batter because I'm negligent and not bothering to pay attention to what's getting in the batter would we quibble that I didn't actually bake cockroaches into the cake?
Or would we say "yo this freak baked cockroaches into this cake he gave us cockroach cake"
@kwazekwaze @mathew @davidgerard Gosh, I don’t really know how to respond at an adequate level..
My point was that the quote externalizes negative attributes which we possess. Which rids us, in our own mind, of the responsibility and of the consequences of our actions. Instead we pin it on someone else.
The negative attribute, in this instance being racism (which you imagine to be of another species in your allegory) comes from us. I think that might just be a bit bigger issue than that some of it ended up in ai.
So I guess I’m saying: yo, some of the cockroaches from my cockroach infestation ended up in the cake you baked. I should probably call pest-control rather than pin it on you.. yo
My point was that the quote externalizes negative attributes which we possess. Which rids us, in our own mind, of the responsibility and of the consequences of our actions. Instead we pin it on someone else.
The negative attribute, in this instance being racism (which you imagine to be of another species in your allegory) comes from us. I think that might just be a bit bigger issue than that some of it ended up in ai.
So I guess I’m saying: yo, some of the cockroaches from my cockroach infestation ended up in the cake you baked. I should probably call pest-control rather than pin it on you.. yo
@presidiet @mathew @davidgerard
Blame isn't zero sum. You can blame society/all of us white people for the racism we've put into the world while at the same time blaming developers for negligently ingraining it in the products they seek to embed across as many social systems as they can 🤗
To continue the roach metaphor: If I know I've got a roach problem I ought to at the very least be wary of roaches getting in my cakes.
@kwazekwaze @mathew @davidgerard Congratulations, you’ve just summarized my own original point back to me:
Not that I'm pro AI, but they didn't just steal the nice things and then add the evil things. The racism stem from the same source as the art and code..
I ducking hate this website
Not that I'm pro AI, but they didn't just steal the nice things and then add the evil things. The racism stem from the same source as the art and code..
I ducking hate this website
craignicol@mathew @davidgerard we have a word for something that grows with no respect to the ecosystem.
Cancer.
There's things far more important than "number go up" that are completely incompatible with "number go up"