My fellow journalists, I need you to stop talking about the Turing Test; it was never a good metric. Turing was a computer scientist, not a psychologist. ELIZA passed it, and also was a decent Person-centered therapy bot. Some people actually used it that way, even knowing it was a bot.

A) There are many paths to the top of a mountain, and

B) LLMs and other AIs aren't real girls and boys just because we feel they are.

@quinn

If you read Turing's paper, and think about it, you would realize two things.

One: What everyone thinks the Turing Test is has nothing to do with what Turing proposed

Two: Turing's test was actually subtle: it asks the computer to be empathetic enough with human men and woman to be able to perform as the man in a game where a man is trying to persuade someone he's a woman.

Turing was one of the smartest blokes of the 20th century, unlike our illiterate 21st century AI bros.

@djl So I have, but it has been a minute, and I do know about the gender part. (and how it's kind of a bit problematic by current standards, but you know, gay man of the time, honestly better than many, though still wildly misogynistic)
@djl It still doesn't work, because however you try to make it a question about computing it's really gated by human perception, motivation, and imagination. whether this original form of the turing test is passed is as much a matter of how the human slept and whether they have a stomach ache as it is about programmatic mimicry. honestly, we just shouldn't have taken it so seriously. it was a bit of noodling of a very smart man slightly outside his field, and we've made it a Whole Thing.

@quinn

"we just shouldn't have taken it so seriously. "

But my point is very few people took it seriously. Pretty much everyone who comments on the test hasn't read the paper, or didn't read it carefully.

Again: it's not about the computer fooling people, it's about how well the computer plays the role of a man pretending to be a woman.

It may not be a good test, but since we've gone off on a stupid tangent, we haven't thought about the actual idea and don't know if it works/helps.