Whenever I talk about abolition, someone inevitably brings up victims' rights. And I agree, people who experience violent and terrible crimes should have rights. They need care. They need therapy. They need community. They need protection.

None of which is provided by our system of cages.

@theleftistlawyer to "what about victims" i say: what about victims who want accountability for the people who harmed them, without it involving prison?

a lot of people just want whatever harm has come to them to stop, and they shouldn't be put in the conflicted position of knowing our current means to make that happens involves prison.

@cestfleuve

Very good point, thank you