GrapheneOS1d ago

Gaël Duval is the founder and president of the /e/ foundation along with the CEO of Murena. Duval and his organizations have consistently taken a stance against protecting users from exploits. In this video, he once again claims protecting against exploits is only useful for pedophiles and spies.

Translation to English:

> There's the attack surface, on that front we're not security specialists here, so I couldn't answer you precisely, but from the discussions I've had, it seems that everything

Show threadGrapheneOS1d ago
> we do reduces attack surface. However, we don't have a "hardened security" approach, we aren't developing a phone for pedo(censored) so they can evade justice. So there aren't difficult things to check if the memory is corrupted, really hardened security stuff that could clearly be useful for executives, in the secret service, or whatever. That's not our goal, our goal is to start from an observation: today our personal data is constantly being plundered and that wouldn't be legal in real life
Show threadGrapheneOS1d ago
> with the mail or the telephone, we want to change that. So we are making you a product that changes that by default for anyone.
Show threadGrapheneOS1d ago

Transcription in French:

> Il y a la surface d'attaque, là pour le coup on est pas des spécialistes de la sécurité, donc je ne pourrais pas te répondre avec précision, mais des discussions que j'ai eu, il semblerait que tout ce qu'on fait, ça réduit la surface d'attaque. Donc oui, probablement ça aide. Par contre, on a pas une approche "sécurité durcie", on développe pas un téléphone pour les pédo(bip) pour qu'ils puissent échapper à la justice. Donc il y a pas des trucs pas possibles pour voir

Show threadGrapheneOS1d ago
> si la mémoire est pas corrompue, des trucs de sécu vraiment durcis qui pourraient être utiles clairement pour des dirigeants, dans les services secrets ou que sais-je. C'est pas notre but, notre but c'est de partir d'un constat, aujourd'hui nos données personnelles sont pillées en permanence et ça serait pas légal dans la vraie vie avec le courrier ou le téléphone, on veut changer ça. Donc on vous fait un produit qui change ça par défaut pour n'importe quelle personne.
Show threadGrapheneOS1d ago
GrapheneOS exists to protect users from having their privacy invaded by arbitrary individuals, corporations and states. Privacy depends on security. GrapheneOS heavily improves both privacy and security while providing a high level of usability and near perfect app compatibility.
Show threadGrapheneOS1d ago
/e/ has far worse privacy and security than the Android Open Source Project. They fail to keep up with important standard privacy and security patches for Android, Linux, firmware, drivers and HALs. They fail to provide current generation Android privacy and security protections.
Show threadGrapheneOS1d ago
For years, Gaël Duval has spearheaded a campaign to misrepresent GrapheneOS as not being usable, not compatible with apps and only useful to a tiny minority of people. He has repeatedly claimed GrapheneOS is for pedophiles, criminals and spies while claiming /e/ is for everyone.
Show threadBlue Luma1d ago

@GrapheneOS I don't think you should attack frontally others like that whenever 😶

Reminding security is privacy is good.
Responding to attacks is good (which is not the case *here*)

I understand its CEO and the Murena company might have attack the GrapheneOS project in the past, and responding to that was normal too.

But I don't see attacking /e/OS like that often as a positive feedback in general. A simple reminder could have been enough.

❤️ on the GrapheneOS project btw

Show threaddesirable_dialogue13h ago

@blueluma @GrapheneOS
I find it reasonable and justified to outcall behavior that is directly targeting development/deployment of privacy software.

No need for corporate business friendliness IMHO

Show threadBlue Luma
@desirable_dialogue Reminding that security and privacy goes hand in hand and that GrapheneOS try to keep security and privacy for everyone benefits (and not just pedophiles) is great.
No need to keep repeatedly saying they targeted GOS : GOS already did, or say their security and privacy are shit : they say it themselves for security and GOS already mentioned it multiple times in the past.
/e/OS should not be a topic in itself, and this is not a direct response to an attack from them
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