Artemis2d ago

"Is Mastodon becoming an echo chamber?"

I dunno. What even is 'Mastodon' in this conversation?

I'm on dice.camp because I like their moderation & federation decisions. If you're on a different instance, how "echo-y" your "echo chamber" is may vary.

But if you don't like it when people are picky about who they associate with & how, just go hang out on mastodon.social or whatever.

Show threadArtemis2d ago

I thought a big part of the value of Fedi is how much choice we have over who we associate with.

Why is it a bad thing that people who are choosey about their online experience don't want to listen to AI-shills?

Show threadArtemis2d ago

It's interesting how important it is to some people that you supposedly shouldn't be choosey about who you associate with.

The person I saw talking about this framed the "problem" of AI-shills being "unwelcome" on Fedi (not sure I buy that either—they seem to have their own corners of Fedi) as the same thing as Black users being harassed/unsafe/not included, which is just absurd.

It's very "blue lives matter" coded, ya know? Like, being a techbro is not an inherent part of who you are.

Show threadArtemis2d ago

They have to frame it as a diversity issue because they want to distract from the fact that it is a *consent* issue!

Not wanting to associate with Black people is bigotry, but not wanting to associate with AI-shills is just protecting your peace. These are not the goddamn same, & it's really sinister asking people to pretend they are.

It is weird to insist people should HAVE to interact with you, regardless of your behavior. It shows a lack of respect for people's agency & choice.

Show threadWillow (she/her)

@artemis It's telling, to me, that these people view someone not wanting to interact with them as a consequence of their behaviour the same as not wanting to interact with someone due to skin tone.

To my cynical and generally people-hating brain it strikes me as the mindset of someone who thinks skin tone is somehow related to morality/rightness.

(idk maybe I'm reaching, and I'm not explaining it well, but my brain sees the line from AI-shills bitching about tolerance to white supremacy)

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Show threadMorgan ⚧️2d ago
@MsHearthWitch @artemis and it's not even the same behavior they're comparing either. Black people on fedi aren't just being ignored--if that was the whole problem there wouldn't be TBS because the racists would do the job of maintaining blocks. AI shills are comparing "people didn't widely boost my post and follow me because they have moral objections to what I'm doing" to "people sent me death threats until I had to delete my account/instance for safety, because I'm Black"
Show threadTom Magnanimous2d ago
@MsHearthWitch @artemis you're right, it isn't much of a stretch. Which makes it all the more irony-rich that in order to try to make their argument more palatable they threw in "obviously we should defed from nazis, of course" when the foundation of the ai industry is absolutely chock full of fascists, ones with global reach like Musk and Thiel, and the ai tools promote fascist ideas and goals by their nature.