On the acceptance of GenAI

Ethics is the worst.

Joep Schuurkes
@joeposaurus Come on, you could write similar lists about most things people do to function in a society. Like driving a car or wearing clothes or drinking coffee.

@OndrejMirtes @joeposaurus Indeed, there is no ethical consumption under capitalism.

But we can still try to minimize our negative impact and be mindful of it. Electric cars, ethically grown coffee, non-sweatshop clothes, etc.

And GenAI is still new enough that "fuck that, no" is an option. At least until enough people shrug and do it anyway and give the rest of us no choice.

cf: https://www.garfieldtech.com/blog/selfish-ai

Selfish AI | GarfieldTech

@Crell @OndrejMirtes @joeposaurus “At least until enough people shrug and do it anyway and give the rest of us no choice.”

I think we’ve already passed this point.

@ramsey @OndrejMirtes @joeposaurus Possibly. And I am fucking pissed off at my colleagues about it.
@Crell @OndrejMirtes @joeposaurus Yeah, me too. I hate being coerced to compromise my own ethics and morals. It feels dirty, and it’s gut-wrenching. What’s worse is others look at me like I’ve grown a second head when I voice concerns about it—as if it’s an absurd thing they had never considered. I think that’s where many people are, if not most.

@ramsey @OndrejMirtes @joeposaurus It is usually a thing they've never considered, because most people don't think about ethics on a regular basis. Only weirdo autistics like me do that. 🙂

If more people spent at least a few minutes thinking about the ethics of what they do on a regular basis, the world would be a much brighter place.

@Crell @OndrejMirtes @joeposaurus In general, I would at least hope the ACM or IEEE would address the ethical issues, since they both have codes of ethics that purport to forbid exploitation and harm.

But they won’t address it. (I have seen articles that discuss these issues published in their periodicals, but I haven’t seen anyone invoke their codes of ethics.)